Email RE Redundant Permits NCG120057 and NCG120073

Georgoulias, Bethany
From:
Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent:
Friday, July 27, 2018 3:24 PM
To:
'Jonathan Pfohl'; 'Scott Hurley'
Cc:
Alexander, Laura
Subject:
RE: [External] Redundant Permits
Jonathan,
We have never received a rescission request to sort out the possible duplicate permits below. We are approaching
renewals for the NCG12 General Permit, and it would be helpful to have this done ahead of that. Do you have a status
update on this?
Thank you!
Bethany Georgoulias
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
919 707-3641 office
bethanygeor oulias e ncdenr.gov
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
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From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 2:20 PM
To: Jonathan Pfohl <[e-mail]>; Scott Hurley <[e-mail]>; Alexander, Laura
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Redundant Permits
Jonathan,
Attached are scanned copies of both these permits. They do look like they have the landfill plotted in different
locations, so please take a look at these documents and verify that they were for the same landfill, and that
NCG120057 has the right legal owner/operator (057 was issued to Ashe County Environmental Services, and 073 was
issued to the County of Ashe).
Please submit a rescission request to our office for the permit that should be rescinded. Also please let us know how
latitude and longitude for this landfill should be set for NCG120057 (if that's the one that will be kept). I've given both
files to Laura Alexander so she has them for reference.
Best regards,

Bethany Georgoulias
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
919 807 6372 office
bethanygeor oulias e ncdenr.gov
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
Website: http://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
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From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 12:12 PM
To: Jonathan Pfohl <[e-mail]>; Scott Hurley <[e-mail]>; Alexander, Laura
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [External] Redundant Permits
The company needs to submit a rescission form for the duplicate permit, but I think it would be wise for me to
pull the file on it first to see how this might have happened.
We cannot "switch" the markers -- the latitude and longitude of the facility with the right permit can just be
corrected if necessary. Was this landfill ever located elsewhere in the past (maybe it expanded to another
location?)
I am away from the office today and cannot pull the file until Monday. I will follow up then. Please enter the
outfalls in the correct locations for NCG120057 if this is the permit they've been using to report data
under. Have they been paying for two different permits this whole time?
Thanks,
Bethany Georgoulias, Environmental Engineer
NCDEQ / DEMLR / Stormwater Permitting Program
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
919 / 807-6372 (phone); 919 / 807-6494 (fax)
Website: htW:Hdeg.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater

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From: Jonathan Pfohl <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 12:06:10 PM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany; Scott Hurley
Subject: [External] Redundant Permits
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Hi Bethany,
Our client Ashe Co. Environmental Services (landfill) appears to have 2 permits but only 1 landfill facility.
NCG120057 and NCG120073.
Ashe has been reporting as NCG120057 therefore please let us know how to remove NCG120073. (Simply do not pay?,
Rescission Form?, etc..)
To further complicate matters & how I noticed is that on the online map NCG120073 is shown in the correct location of
the facility but NCG120057 is off-site so those markers would need to be switched.
We intend to add the outfalls but wanted to rectify this situation first to avoid potentially compounding any
inconsistencies.
Thanks,
Jonathan
Jonathan Pfohl
Municipal Engineering Services, Co. PA
PO Box 97 Garner NC 27529
68 Shipwash Dr. Garner NC 27529
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