NCS000566_WSRO email_20231109

Young, Brianna A
From: Deans, Robby
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 2:02 PM
To: Young, Brianna A
Cc: Eplin, Tamera; Chiles, Nicole A
Subject: RE: Fortress Wood Products, NCS000566
Thanks, Brianna!
I have let the engineer know that the sampling location should be altered, and I believe he is working to see whether
there are any drawings of the basin to estimate the volume. My back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that the
basin is very nearly large enough to capture the 24-hour, 25-year storm volume, and they could easily get it up to the
right volume by altering the riser. If they can show this and maintain the basin at the proper volume, I assume it would
be appropriate for me to recommend rescission of their permit.
Thanks again,
Robby Deans
Environmental Specialist I
Land Quality Section, Winston-Salem Regional Office
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
[phone] office [phone] direct
robby.deans(cDdeg.nc.gov
450 West Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105-7407
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From:Young, Brianna A<[e-mail]>
Sent:Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:28 PM
To: Deans, Robby<[e-mail]>
Cc: Eplin,Tamera <[e-mail]>; Chiles, Nicole A<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Fortress Wood Products, NCS000566
Hello Robby,
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See below for answers to your questions.
1. They have been sampling at the inlet to the detention pond. Shouldn't their outfall be at the outlet of the
pond instead? I realize this will probably result in a lot of"no flow" samples, but it seems wrong to discount
the SCM when sampling a point-source discharge to surface waters.
You are correct,the sample should be taken at the end of the detention pond where the water leaves the pond
(i.e.the physical outlet structure). If it does result in "no flow" results,then they still need to report that on
eDMRs, but it would be a valid result.
2. Are we still allowing rescissions based on basins that can hold the water from a 25-year storm event? If so,
are permitees allowed to alter their ponds to retain more water to try to rescind their permit?
I asked other staff about your question concerning calculations for a 25 year storm event, and they said "Ideally
we'd need to see design/calculations to confirm, but in the real world, sites like this will be very old, and they
likely won't be available. I think it's going to be BPJ, which might vary from site to site.The amount of freeboard
that is maintained in a basin like that is going to be key for assessing the likelihood that it will
overflow/discharge."So I think it's mainly using your judgement to decide.
3. Does a dry streambed "count"as a surface water without any sort of stream delineation?
Intermittent and ephemeral streams can be considered unnamed tributaries to a named stream.These UTs take
on the classification of the named stream they eventually intersect with.
4. David Maddox apparently filed paperwork to allow other parties to certify and submit data on eDMR. Is there
a document showing approval of this request? I was unable to find anything on Laserfiche.
Submitter paperwork is not uploaded to Laserfiche as eDMR needs to remain CROMERR compliant(having
submitter login information is not public information).You should be able to log into eDMR and see who has
access to the permit and what roles each person has been granted.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thank you,
Brianna Young, MS(she/her)
Industrial Individual Permits Coordinator
Stormwater Permitting Program
NC DEQ/Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources (DEMLR)
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From: Deans, Robby<[e-mail]>
Sent:Thursday, November 9, 2023 12:18 PM
To:Young, Brianna A<[e-mail]>
Cc: Eplin,Tamera <[e-mail]>; Chiles, Nicole A<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Fortress Wood Products, NCS000566
Hi again, Brianna,
I have attached an inspection report for the site in question.
All the best,
Robby Deans
Environmental Specialist I
Land Quality Section, Winston-Salem Regional Office
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
[phone] office [phone] direct
robby.deansCcDdeg.nc.gov
450 West Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105-7407
NORTH CAROLINA O=EQ
Department of Environmental Quality
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From: Deans, Robby
Sent:Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:06 AM
To:Young, Brianna A<[e-mail]>
Cc: Eplin,Tamera <[e-mail]>; Chiles, Nicole A<[e-mail]>
Subject: Fortress Wood Products, NCS000566
Hi Brianna,
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I went to the site in the subject line yesterday in response to the rescission request submitted by David Maddox. I would
appreciate your help with a few questions. I do think that David's (and Lily's) description of the site as having no outlet
or sheet flow below the large retention pond is not accurate. There is a dry streambed immediately to the north, and
the large basin has a riser with an outlet pipe that discharges directly adjacent to this dry streambed. I have attached an
image that shows what I saw during the inspection (the green translucent area represents the places I physically saw
during the inspection, so some of the drainage is inferred).
My questions are as follows:
1. They have been sampling at the inlet to the detention pond. Shouldn't their outfall be at the outlet of the pond
instead? I realize this will probably result in a lot of"no flow" samples, but it seems wrong to discount the SCM
when sampling a point-source discharge to surface waters.
2. Are we still allowing rescissions based on basins that can hold the water from a 25-year storm event? If so, are
permitees allowed to alter their ponds to retain more water to try to rescind their permit?
3. Does a dry streambed "count" as a surface water without any sort of stream delineation?
4. David Maddox apparently filed paperwork to allow other parties to certify and submit data on eDMR. Is there a
document showing approval of this request? I was unable to find anything on Laserfiche.
I would be very grateful for your help.
Thanks,
Robby Deans
Environmental Specialist I
Land Quality Section, Winston-Salem Regional Office
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
[phone] office [phone] direct
robby.deans(@deg.nc.gov
450 West Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105-7407
NORTH CARDHNA O=EQ
Department of Environmental Quality
Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be
disclosed to third parties.
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