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Re: Buffer Determination, New Bern Ave
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Subject: Re: Buffer Determination, New Bern Ave
From: "Gerald Pottern" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:53:33 -0400

To: "Amy Chapman" <[e-mail]>, "Chris Hopper" <[e-mail]>
CC: <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Amy - Chris will meet you there Tuesday June 20 at 2:00 if that's OK.
If there's a better time, let Chris know, he's pretty much open that day.
I'll be in Salisbury mon-wed.
You have a good weekend too.
Gerald
----- Original Message --
From: Amy Chapman
To: Gerald Pottern
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Buffer Determination, New Bern Ave
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Gerald,
I can do next Tuesday anytime or Friday the 23rd in the am.
Let me know if either day works for you.
Email is probably the best way to contact me today, but phone or email will be fine Monday.
Have a good weekend.
-Amy
Gerald Pottern wrote:
Thomas & Sara: Cyndi Karoly of DWQ says they dont usually need to field-verify a top-of-bank
delineation when the stream itself is not in question, but will do it when requested. It's not common.
They cannot issue a letter stating that verification is not needed. My guess is that the City is
requesting top-of-bank verification on this project because of the floodway channel to the east, which
could be interpreted as part of the stream.
I'm quite sure that floodway channel is beyond what DWQ would consider "normal high flow" based
on my field recon trips & training with DWQ, ACE, and NCSU staff. However, from my window it's
looking like the next few days might not be so good for verifying this. I left a message for Amy
Chapman (she works for Cyndi) to set up a verification visit ASAP. Hopefully she can do it next
week.
AMY: let's meet at the Best Western Hotel, on eastbound'New Bern Ave just outside the beltline (exit
13-B). The property is immediately west of the motel, alongside the 1-440 exit ramp. The stream
length is about 2,000 feet, mature woods with a sewer ROW, easy walking -- 30 to 40 min on-site
should be plenty of time.
THOMAS: Please provide a letter from the OWNER authorizing RJGA as agents for regulatory
permitting. ACE and DWQ agents will not enter a property without owner/agent permission.
Gerald B. Pottern
Robert J. Goldstein & Associates, Inc.
1221 Corporation Parkway, Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27610
919-872-1174
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Re: Buffer Determination, New Bern Ave

Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:24 AM
To: Sara Felsen; [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Buffer Determination, New Bern Ave
Hi Sara & Thomas,
The east stream bank ("normal high water") is now delineated with pink flagging tied on trees &
vines, numbered consecutively S-1 through S-73, ready for your surveyor. S-1 is beside the
culvert inlet at the south end of the property, and S-73 is near the culvert outlet at the north end
of the property, close to the billboard sign. Around bends the flags are 10 to 20 feet apart, and
along straighter reaches they're 30 to 70 feet apart. The stream is perennial, based on DWQ
methods.
The questionable area where the mapped stream channel and stream buffer layers appear
incongruent is due to a channel avulsion that may have occurred during a hurricane, creating an
overflow channel. The active stream channel (flagged) is to the west. The apparent channel
meander that protrudes eastward is a dry feature, NOT part of the "normal high water" channel
and also not a jurisdictional wetland, but it does apparently flood during severe storm events.
The 50' Neuse Buffer will be measured from the flagged active channel bank, not from the
overflow channel meander.
I examined all areas where wetlands might occur east of the stream (floodplain and upland
depressions), and found none. Based on this survey there is NO jurisdictional wetland on the
property east of the stream.
There are a few homeless person camps on the site, in case you're not aware of these. I
suggest having the stream bank flags surveyed soon, in case these "residents" find that my flags
clash with their decor.
Thanks again for another opportunity to serve Architektur.
Gerald B. Pottern
Robert J. Goldstein & Associates, Inc.
1221 Corporation Parkway, Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27610
919-872-1174
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----- Original Message
From: Sara Felsen
To: Gerald Pottern
Cc: Thomas Crowder ; rgoldstein 0c RJ GAca rolina. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Buffer Determination and possible Wetland Delineation
We just spoke with the City and they will not accept GPS coordinates anyway. Please flag
the bank without the GPS mapping.
Sara
Sara J Felsen
ARCHITEKTURPA
905 Tryon Hill Drive
Raleigh, NC 27603
p. 919.664.8500
f. 919.664.8530
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Mr. Gerald Pottern
Robert J. Goldstein & Associates, Inc
1221 Corporation Parkway, Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27610
Michael F. Easley, Governor
William G. Ross Jr., Secretary
North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources
June 21, 2006
Subject Property: New Bern Ave@ Best Western-Raleigh, NC
Wake County
Dear Mr. Pottern:
Alan W. Klimek, P.E. Director
Division of Water Quality
DWQ Project # 2006-0996
County: Wake
On June 20, 2006, at your request, Amy Chapman conducted an on-site determination to review
a stream feature located on the subject property for applicability to the Neuse Buffer Rules (15A
NCAC 2B .0233). The feature is shown on the maps as a dashed red line and labeled as "A" on
the attached map initialed by Amy Chapman on June 21, 2006.
The Division of Water Quality (DWQ) has determined that the stream feature labeled as
"A" on the attached maps is an ephemeral stream and is not subject to the Neuse Buffer
Rule. The owner (or future owners) should notify the DWQ (and other relevant agencies) of this
decision in any future correspondences concerning this property. This on-site determination
shall expire five (5) years from the date of this letter.
Landowners or affected parties that dispute a determination made by the DWQ or Delegated
Local Authority that a surface water exists and that it is subject to the buffer rule may request a
determination by the Director. A request for a determination by the Director shall be referred to
the Director in writing c/o Cyndi Karoly, DWQ 401 Oversight/Express Permitting Unit, 2321
Crabtree Blvd., Suite 250, Raleigh, NC 27604-2260. Individuals that dispute a determination by
the DWQ or Delegated Local Authority that "exempts" a surface water from the buffer rule may
ask for an adjudicatory hearing. You must act within 60 days of the date that you receive this
letter. Applicants are hereby notified that the 60-day statutory appeal time does not start until the
affected party (including downstream and adjacent landowners) is notified of this decision.
DWQ recommends that the applicant conduct this notification in order to be certain that third
party appeals are made in a timely manner. To ask for a hearing, send a written petition, which
conforms to Chapter 150B of the North Carolina General Statutes to the Office of Administrative
Hearings, 6714 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, N.C. 27699-6714. This determination is final and
binding unless you ask for a hearing within 60 days.
401 Oversight/Express Review Permitting Unit
1650 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, North Carolina 27699-1650
2321 Crabtree Boulevard, Suite 250, Raleigh, North Carolina 27604
Phone: [phone] / FAX [phone] / Internet: hqp://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/ncwetlands
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Gerald Pottern
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June 21, 2006
This letter only addresses the applicability to the buffer rules and does not approve any activity
within the buffers. Nor does this letter approve any activity within Waters of the United States
or Waters of the State. If you have any additional questions or require additional information
please call Amy Chapman at [phone].
Sincerely,
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C di B. Karoly
401 Oversight/Express Review Permits Unit
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Enclosures: USGS Raleigh East
Wake County Soil Survey Map
cc: Eric Kulz, DWQ Raleigh Regional Office w/ enclosure
Chris Hopper; Robert J. Goldstein & Associates, Inc; 1221 Corporation Parkway, Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27610 w/enclosure
File Copy
Central Files
Filename: 060996NewBem@BestWestern(Wake)DET
401 Oversight/Express Permitting Unit
1650 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, North Carolina 27699-1650
2321 Crabtree Boulevard, Suite 250, Raleigh, North Carolina 27604
Phone: [phone] / FAX [phone] / Internet: http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/ncwetlands
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