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Environmental Consultants, PA
Road - Raleigh, North Carolina 27614 - Phone: [phone] - Fax: [phone]
www.SandEC.com
To: N.C. Division of Water Quality
401 Oversight /Express Review Permitting Unit
Attn: Mr. Ian McMillan
2321 Crabtree Boulevard, Suite 250 t2
Raleigh, NC 27604-2260
From: Soil & Environmental Consultants, P.A. OCT AO ??O$
Attn: Bob Zarzecki & Debbie Edwards ,
11010 Raven Ridge Road DENR4 TORMwa ?
Raleigh, NC 27614
Re: THE VILLAGE AT FLOWERS PLANTATION
REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION RESPONSE
N.C. Division of Water Quality - Project No. 06-1804, Ver. 3
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers - Action ID No. 200801712
Dear Mr. McMillan:
On behalf of the owner, Ms. Rebecca Flowers of River Dell Company, Inc., we
are hereby providing additional information in response to the N.C. Division of Water
Quality (DWQ) Request for More Information letter dated September 23, 2008. This
additional information is an amendment to our existing Individual Permit application
under review by both the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) (Action ID No.
200801712) and DWQ (Project No. 06-1804, Ver. 3) for the proposed "The Village at
Flowers Plantation" project.
DWQ September 23, 2008 Letter (see attached):
Please note that many of the concerns within this letter were discussed and resolved
at the July 16, 2008 meeting held at the River Dell Company, Inc. office. This
meeting was held to discuss comments received during the public comment period
including the DWQ letter requesting additional information dated June 16, 2008 and
any additional comments and concerns of the USACE and DWQ; those in
Charlotte Office: Greensboro Office:
236 LePhillip Court, Suite C 3817-E Lawndale Drive
Concord, NC 28025 Greensboro, NC 27455
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S&EC Project # 6658.P1
The Village at Flowers Plantation - Individual Permit October 23, 2008
Additional Information S&EC, PA 6658
attendance were the applicant along with representatives from Soil &Environmental
Consultants, PA; Stocks Engineering, PA; the USACE and the DWQ.
1. Please provide building envelopes for all lots with wetlands, streams or buffers on
the site plans.
At the July 16, 2008 office meeting referenced above, one of the questions
discussed was within the June 16t DWQ letter (Questions 4.a), which requested a
more specific, detailed mechanism to assure DWQ that all lots will be buildable
without additional wetland, stream or buffer impacts.
As discussed in our July 16th meeting with the DWQ and as addressed within the
last response letter to the DWQ, the applicant is willing to place deed notifications
on any lots necessary to ensure avoidance of additional impacts to wetlands,
streams or buffers. This approach was suggested and agreed upon in the July
16th meeting because this project is only proposing road infrastructure, it is
anticipated that each development phase will be sold to individual developers who
will then determine lot size and the WWI footprints for each lot. Therefore, as
discussed and agreed upon in our July 16t meeting, it is unfeasible at this time to
create a map showing building envelopes for all lots that have wetlands, streams
or buffers on them. However, the applicant will make every effort possible to
ensure that the development of future lots will not include additional wetland,
stream or buffer impacts.
2. Please indicate proposed lot layout as an overlay on the site plan.
As discussed and agreed upon in the July 16th meeting with the DWQ, because
this project is only proposing road infrastructure, it is anticipated that each
development phase will be sold to individual developers who will then determine
lot size/dimensions. Therefore, as discussed and agreed upon in our July 16th
meeting, it is unfeasible at this time to create a map showing lot layouts on the
site plan.
3. Your proposed stream crossings Nos. 5, 11, 18 and 19 do not appear to be
aligned at an approximately perpendicular angle. Please re-configure your
proposed stream crossing to show it aligned approximately perpendicular
(between 75 ° and 105).
As requested, the engineer has reviewed impact areas 5, 11, 18 & 19. Impact
area #11 has been modified and the crossing is aligned to be more
perpendicular, please see revised impact tables below, attached revised impact
exhibit and revised overall site plan. However impact areas 5, 18 & 19 cannot be
modified because of existing development to the south and southwest of these
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The Village at Flowers Plantation - Individual Permit October 23, 2008
Additional Information S&EC, PA 6658
crossings, see attached memorandum from the engineer for a more detailed
justification.
It is also important to note however that although a road crossing that is aligned
at a more perpendicular angle often times results in less impacts, the alignment
of a road crossing between 75° and 105° is not a specific requirement of the
Neuse Buffer Rules for road crossings (NCAB 213 .0233) or within the 401 Water
Quality Certification Rules (NCAC 2H .0500).
STREAM IMPACT TABLE
Average Impact
Stream Impact Number Stream Type of
Perennial or Intermittent Stream
Width Length Area of
Impact
(indicate on map) Name Impact Before (linear (acres)
Impact feet)
Crossing #11 UT to Mill Road
Crossing- Perennial (DWQ)
6' 60
0.008
C-011A Creek Permanent Important (USACE)
Crossing #11 UT to Mill Road
Crossing- Perennial (DWQ)
6'
20**
0.003**
C-011A Creek Temporary Important (USACE)
**Proposed temporary impacts for construction of road crossing
JURISDICTIONAL IMPACT SUMMARY
Stream Impact (acres): 0.230 (Permanent)
0.042 (Temporary)
Wetland Impact (acres): 0.122 (Permanent)
0.005 (Temporary)
Open Water Impact (acres): 0
Total Impact to Waters of the U.S. (acres) 0.352 (Permanent)
0.047 (Temporary)
1,284 (Permanent)
Total Stream Impact (linear feet): 220 (Temporary)
(Total Permanent Impacts-Important = 868; Unimportant =416)
RIPARIAN BUFFER IMPACTS
IMPACT #11- ROAD CROSSING
Zone* Impact
(square feet Multiplier Required
Mitigation
1 4378 3 n/a
2 2889 1.5 n/a
Total 7267 n/a
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The Village at Flowers Plantation - Individual Permit
Additional Information
October 23, 2008
S&EC, PA 6658
TOTAL RIPARIAN BUFFER IMPACTS (includes original impact #'s 2, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13 & 14 and
revised impact #'s 1, 3 & 5)
Zone* Impact
(square feet Multiplier Required
Mitigation
1 79,584 3 n/a
2 39,603 1.5 n/a
Total 119,187 n/a
CONCLUSION
It is our understanding that this additional information will provide you all of the
information required for you to continue the review of this individual permit
application, with the exception being the conservation area map and draft restrictive
covenant language for preservation. Please contact us if you require any information
beyond what has been provided in this response. We appreciate your review and
comments.
Sincerely,
ironmental Consultants, PA
Soil & EnAobZarze
'Environmental Specialist
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Debbie Edwards
Environmental Specialist
Attachments:
1) DWQ Request for More Information letter-dated September 23, 2008
2) Impact #11-crossing details (C-11A & C-11113)
3) Revised Overall Site Plan-10/02/08
4) Stocks Engineering, PA Justification Memorandum-dated October 20, 2008
CC:
Thomas Brown-USACE Raleigh Regulatory Field Office
Lauren Witherspoon-NCDENR DWQ Raleigh Regional Office
Rebecca Flowers-River Dell Company, Inc.
Paul Smith-Stocks Engineering, PA
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Cq t? North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources
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p Coleen H. Sullins, Director
Division of Water Quality
September 23, 2008
DWQ Project # 06-1804, Ver. 3
Johnston County
CERTIFIED MAIL: RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED
Ms. Rebecca Flowers
River Dell Company, Inc. ; z 'TO",
4880 NC 42 East, Clayton, NC 27527
Subject Property: The Village At Flowers Plantation
Ut to Mill Creek [030402,27-39, WSIV, NSW]
Ut to Buffaloe Creek [030406, 27-57-16-(3), C, NSW]
REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION
Dear Ms. Flowers:
On May 1, 2008, the Division of Water Quality (DWQ) received your application dated April 28, 2008, to
fill or otherwise impact 0.127 acres of 404/wetland (0.122 acres permanent impact and 0.005 acres
temporary impact), 1,023 linear feet, permanent, important stream impact, 416 linear feet, permanent,
unimportant stream impact 220 linear feet, temporary stream impact, and 83,748 square feet of Zone 1
Neuse River basin protected riparian buffers and 41,026 square feet of Zone 2 Neuse River basin
protected riparian buffers to construct a mixed-use development. On May 30, 2008, and September 12,
2008, the DWQ received additional information from you, however, the DWQ has determined that your
application remains incomplete and/or provided inaccurate information as discussed below. The DWQ
will require additional information in order to process your application to impact protected wetlands
and/or streams on the subject property. Therefore, unless we receive five copies of the additional
information requested below, we will place this project on hold as incomplete until we receive this
additional information. If we do not receive the requested information, your project will be formally
returned as incomplete. Please provide the following information so that we may continue to review your
project.
Additional Information Requested:
1. Please provide building envelopes for all lots with wetlands, streams or buffers on the site plans.
2. Please indicate proposed lot layout as an overlay on the site plan.
3. Your proposed stream crossings Nos. 5, 11, 18 and 19 do not appear to be aligned at an
approximately perpendicular angle. Please re-configure your proposed stream crossing to show it
aligned approximately perpendicular (between 75° and 105°).
Please submit this information within 30 calendar days of the date of this letter. If we do not receive this
requested information within 30 calendar days of the date of this letter, your project will be withdrawn
and you will need to reapply with a new application and a new fee.
401 Oversight/Express Review Permitting Unit
1650 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, North Carolina 27699-1650
2321 Crabtree Boulevard, Suite 250, Raleigh, North Carolina 27604
Phone: [phone] / FAX [phone] / Internet: htto://h2o.enr.state.ne.us/ncwetlands
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September 23, 2008
This letter only addresses the application review and does not authorize any impacts to wetlands, waters
or protected buffers. Please be aware that any impacts requested within your application are not
authorized (at this time) by the DWQ. Please call Ms. Cyndi Karoly or Mr. Ian McMillan at 919-733-
1786 if you have any questions regarding or would like to set up a meeting to discuss this matter.
Si erely,
Cyndi Karoly, Supervisor
401 Oversight/Express Review Permitting Unit
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cc: Lauren Witherspoon, DWQ Raleigh Regional Office
USACE Raleigh Regulatory Field Office
File Copy
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Bob Zarzecki, S&EC, P.A., 11010 Raven Ridge Road, Raleigh, NC 27614
Filename: 061804Ver3TheVillageAtFlowersPlantation(Johnston)On_Hold2
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Date: October 20, 2008
To: Ms. Rebecca D. Flowers
River Dell Company
From: Paul D. Smith, P.E.
Stocks Engineering
Subject: The Village @ Flowers Plantation
IP for Wetland and Buffer Impacts at Proposed Roadway Crossings
Response to DWQ letter dated September 23, 2008
DWQ Comment:
3. Your proposed stream crossings nos. 5, 11, 18, and 19 do not appear to be aligned at an
approximate perpendicular angle. Please re-configure your proposed stream crossing to
show it aligned approximately perpendicular (between 75 degrees and 105 degrees).
Response:
• Crossing No. 11 has been revised as requested. (See attached plan sheets).
Crossings Nos. 5, 18, and 19 cannot be realigned as requested. A closer look at the existing
topography shows that the alignment of the proposed road is within a confined corridor created
on the northeast by the creek and on the southwest by existing development (Walker Woods).
Walker Woods consists of single family residential lots that are not owned by the applicant. As
such, the alignment of the proposed roadway cannot be shifted to the southwest which is the only
practical way to make the crossings more perpendicular that they currently are. If the roadway is
shifted to the northeast, the angle of crossing #5 does not change, and the angles of crossings #18
and #19 become less perpendicular that it currently is designed. Also, the impact associated with
crossing #19 increases substantially because of the section of creek between crossings #18 and
#19 parallels the roadway alignment. (See attached map from Johnston County GIS).
J. Michael Stocks, PE
1100 Eastern Avenue
PO Box 1108
Nashville, NC 27856
252.459.8196 (voice)
252.459.8197 (fax)
252.903.6891 (mobile)
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