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Home My WebLink About20170150 Ver 1_WRC Comments_20170407Carpenter,Kristi From: Lauffer, Matthew S Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 5:51 PM To: Wanucha, Dave Cc: Lauffer, Matthew S Subject: FW: Wilkes 317 Request Dave, Hope you are well. Thanks for the advice. I believe we have a green light. Regards, Matt Matthew (Matt) Lauffer, PE, CPM Assistant State Hydraulics Engineer Hydraulics Unit Department of Transportation 919 707 6703 office 919 621 0443 mobile mslauffer(cilncdot.gov 1590 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1590 1020 Birch Ridge Dr. Raleigh, NC 27610 Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. Facebook Twitter YouTube Email correspondence to and from this sender is subject to the N.C. Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. From: Chambers, Marla J Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 11:42 AM To: Lauffer, Matthew 5 <mslauffer@ncdot.gov> Subject: RE: Wilkes 317 Request 1 I have reviewed your request and, while I can't agree with many of your points, I will not object to going forward with the project as planned. I was able to find my hand-written notes from the field meeting that I did attend on 5/5/2014. I found that splitting the base flow was planned at that time, and even though I tried to get that changed during the meeting, they assured me that there was no choice in this particular situation. Their reasoning was very different from yours, which still leaves me wondering, but I will withdraw my objection for this project. I hope this is truly a rare practice and proper stream crossing structures and features, like that we recommend in our scoping letters, are being used by NCDOT and their consultants across the state, including those projects we never see the permit application for. Marla Marla Chambers // NCDOT Coordinator Habitat Conservation Program NC Wildlife Resources Commission c/o NCDOT 206 Charter Street Albemarle, North Carolina 28001 office: 704-982-9181 mobile: 704-984-1070 Marla.chambers(a�ncwildlife.orq ncwildlife.orq [�� f��1Y�►� From: Lauffer, Matthew S Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 12:14 PM To: Chambers, Marla J <marla.chambers@ncwildlife.or�> Cc: Lauffer, Matthew S <mslauffer@ncdot.�ov> Subject: Wilkes 317 Request Hi Marla, Thanks for your time the other week on Wilkes 317. The current discussion is that a 2@15X 6 would be more preferable than the proposed and completed design of the 3@10'X6". I would like to request that this project move forward as designed with the 3@10'X6' for the following reasons: The meeting minutes indicate that you were made aware of the proposed structure back in May of 2014. While you may not have been at the FSM ( It appears you were not based on the attendees list format), it is apparent that you were copied. Bringing forward a concern about the configuration this late in the project delivery process is difficult and requires redesign and delay in the project. The culvert configuration was clearly identified in the notes. I-l+�drarali�� F��,�� r�r�v�a'� L3�rtiEed �eta��# �tus#�r I� fiku�r� �r�u��N ��aa�� P"4k�nti�l'� 1+�� t�t� Sl�7�t1'r44'4�t8f �Ei:FTtlit? �C I� P��eC�iC�n ��d��? �t�nd �4re Ba�r�� t�bl�?" 'Y�� I� P��3��ti�ar� ��e�? �tarrc A�pr$ci2,ble Ae��un� t�f Lar��e C�ebris�� Na I�laoe�rn+s�nx i�i' E��n9s I� 1"i��'�1�ter �� }�Il�+�w+�d; Wh�r�: �uperstr��ta��e T+�e; Cul+��r# l� Brir�g�: Lea�+gi� �� kru�l�re Min, �lr�mb�r C�� pans: I�[ girC�er; +,�r�' Sp�n �rranc 1�'ai�r� o'�set: �ap: �kew�d: 3� "!0' x�' FiC�G iaur�e€� 1' +raith �' sill in right h�nti b�rrel (I�rrking do� The 3@10'X6' RCBC structure meets the existing stream channel configuration better than the 2@15 feet and will cause less impact to flow disturbance than the 2@15Feet. Measurements upstream and downstream of the crossing indicate widths that average 19 feet under bridge, 20 feet upstream, and 16 feet downstream. If these dimensions are averaged, it comes out to 18 feet. The 2@10X 6 foot culverts (not including high flow barrel) that will carry the majority of the flow for the base flow and bankfull events have a more consistent cross-sectional area than the 1@15X6 culvert (not including high flow barrel). The 2@10X6 are closer to the existing available cross-sectional area than the 1@15X6. While there is an 8" web that splits the flows, more efficient conveyance area is maintained. In your email on February 3, 2017 (attached) you noted "redesign is needed for this project in order to minimize impacts; to maintain the natural dimension, pattern and profile of the waterway through the crossing; and to avoid the negative impacts that can occur from splitting the base flow of the river." While the stream is in a Trout County, the West Prong Roaring River is a Class C stream and not 303d and not designated as trout (WRC or DWR). There are also other more adverse impacts in the watershed as identified in the photo below (poultry farming and logging operations) that will impact the natural dimension, pattern and profile of the waterway more than the crossing. 4 �e�vera�m�r�#�I L'�'tU:er��1� Llt �itz w1[► CArnm��iC� End�+g+s� �Pe�►�� i r� �Qu�+ty ��ag ��r1te: �t��m L�req�E��+aP� Ba�� 7`�E sp�acees a�`ect Flo Tr�ru# �]i�nty Y��, �t n�'tr��t ��an+ TVA C��r�r Fi� �IWA �n�y�: ka Prim,�ry IWursenf Arva: �la I�a1�ii�. 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F _ w I r �� o �' � � l�' � - - � . r _ ,�a� "''1��'w*�#+b��i,� ` �4 +4 �"� �i� �.y Y'� !�1 r y y � `- . '� �Y � � � t� I � .a,F � r �~�fl � # . Z' �,,' �� r�-� yh�F S�'� � y'4'• � F M E�,K�/+.. *`FY ey��y � .i r /�4}�. �� 4.,F.. [{P� 1"��"_ .� � . _' � �s� �'�i a h'.. �1 "�y �„s ! i i , IV � .R t � +i"1 ` In addition, in your February 3, 2017 email, you state, "1'm not sure why the news that this practice is inappropriate has not gotten out to all those that design waterway crossings, but we need to try to correct that." Based on Yancey 16, SF-700353, and Wilkes 153 ( A few recent projects) NCDOT is not trending towards splitting base flow but just the opposite. Yancey 16 was a specific case where the proposed 2@8 X3 was redesigned to a bridge. The other projects were a 2@13X8 RCBC and 20' X 1' bottomless culvert respectively. Many other projects over the last several years were designed not to split the base flow or put in the appropriate sills and baffles to maintain low flow depth. 5. The potential for debris blockage for the 3@10'X6' is not anymore a concern than the 2@15'X6'. While a 15' opening is larger, the watershed has not been prone to blockage and it is not anticipated that this will be a concern. I greatly appreciate your consideration of this request. I am available for further discussion. Respectfully, M att Matthew (Matt) Lauffer, PE, CPM Assistant State Hydraulics Engineer Hydraulics Unit Department of Transportation 919 707 6703 office 919 621 0443 mobile mslauffer(a)_ncdot.qov 1590 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-1590 1020 Birch Ridge Dr. Raleigh, NC 27610 'r;. �:1 ��., . �� . � �=: .:� �� r�• .�� •��■ � ��1 r,�-r'-�. Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. 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