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Home My WebLink About20091031 Ver 1_Meeting Minutes_20080204 CITY OF RALEGH pdFdRTHFALLS OF NEUSE ROAD REALIGNMENT AND WIDENING o STIP No U-4901 t dt Agency Review Meeting No 2 WANNEEMft AGENDA February 04, 2008 - 1 00 P M NCDOT Highway Building, Room 470 Raleigh, North Carolina 1 Opening -------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince Rhea, N C DOT 2 Project History ----------- Sylvester Percival, City of Raleigh and David Griffin, URS 3 Public Involvement Activities/Results------------------------------------- Kim Leight, URS 4 Status of Environmental Document 5 6 6 i 14 Kim Leight, URS Traffic Findings ------------------------------------------------------ Peter T re n ca n s ky, URS Design Alternatives ------------------------------------------------------------ Ed Edens, URS Next Steps -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Attendees r' 11 City of Raleigh Falls of Neuse Road Realignment and Widening Summary of Citizen Comments From Workshop No. 2 held on January 29, 2008 The second Citizen's Informational Workshop for the "City of Raleigh Falls of Neuse Road Realignment and Widening" was held on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 at Durant Nature Park, Campbell Lodge in Raleigh beginning at 5 00 PM and ending at 7 00 PM Approximately 45 citizens attended Sign in sheets and the workshop layout are appended to this summary Fourteen (14) comment sheets were left at the workshop and are summarized below All Alternatives • Instead of a rounded curve with the realignment of Fonville Road connecting to Falls of Neuse Road, design a permanent T intersection so drivers have to come to a complete stop Possibly make a full intersection with Lowry Farms Road Alternative 1 • Please close October Road - we vote for the right turn only and left turn in to October Road • Request that you widen on both sides of Falls of Neuse Road My septic tank system is in back yard facing the area set for widening Please don't disrupt it Close October Road entrance • 1 do not agree with a cul-de-sac of Fonville, prefer a "T" intersection Do not like option for emergency responder areas Prefer a turning lane - no one way traffic patterns • Many church members are concerned about accessibility of the church to people coming from Raleigh - north of Falls of Neuse Road since Fonville Road will become a cul-de-sac • Do not like loss of left turn at High Holly Road • More full movement intersections needed How in the world do moving vans do u-turns? Need full intersection at Waterwood or left turn northbound and left over at Waterwood • Add a left over at Waterford to keep peak evening traffic from coming through Daltons Ridge • My, house is the `first one on the right after crossing the existing bridge going south The previous map 1 saw had the curve lust before my house straightening out through the Leonard property and connecting with New Falls of Neuse Road The current map doe not show this It shows the curve as-it currently is, then going through the Leonard property It°is almost impossible getting`in`and out of my driveway now A lot of times we park in the church parking lot and exit out Fonville Road I am asking that`the old (design) per the map showing the curve being straightened out be used instead of the existing design This would put me and others in the Falls Community basically on a service road Please try to leave the Falls Community in tact (They may be referring to a map seen during PI with the NCDOT bridge replacement project - need to verify) n' In addition to the written comments left at the workshop, staff present at the workshop recorded the following comments • Many citizens were concerned about the location of the workshop and ability to find the facility • Multiple residents of Fonville Road were concerned about the eventual long-term location of the Fonville Road connection to existing Falls of Neuse Road They were in favor of a "T" intersection as shown as a interim solution They believe that by having a sharp curve and a T stop - traffic will slow down considerably • Residents on Dejuhuston Drive and members of Mt Pleasant Baptist are in favor of the median cutover located near their driveway Their one concern is that the median break is to close to the driveway and members will struggle to merge through lanes and make the turn • Multiple residents located directly adjacent to existing Falls of Neuse will be affected by the widening - this ranges from actual relocation to loss of trees and landscaping, fences and the addition of traffic noise and resultant air quality issues • Alternative 3 - Concern regarding proposed realignment of existing/Old Falls of Neuse across the Parks and Recreation property (Falls Lake) Property owner indicated his opinion would not carry the weight of the Corps of Engineers input regarding location • Emergency response safety concerns on the bridge Eliminate SW on bridge to allow for emergency vehicle accessibility Definitely preferred single structure to 2 separate structures for same reason - emergency accessibility I believe John with URS filled out a form on behalf of this particular citizen • Alternative 3 - Concern over potential cut-thru traffic on Lake Villa due to omission of NB left turn onto Waterwood Drive • The proposed horizontal curve connecting Old FoN to Fonville Road brought about some discomfort amongst two of the property owners living along Fonville Road almost parallel to the location They would like to see more of a T- intersection with stop signs in order to discourage speeding through what would appear as a continuous roadway section despite the sharpness of the proposed curve I believe their comments were noted on the comment form-not sure • Could we maintain the existing access at FoN from the Lowery Farm Rd '? I am not certain if this question was generated by a property owner but I remembered having a brief discussion with URS at one of the stations regarding the subject It appears to be a viable question-one that could possibly win the relative community's favor Their upscale entrance is at this intersection Also, this entrance appears prospectively fruitful to accommodate right-ins in a manner that could be efficient for traffic movement within this location Alternative 2 • Do not like intersection for both directions at October Road and Falls of Neuse Road • Don't like Alternative 2 or 3 People are now wrecking into our pine trees in our backyard We have lost 2 trees from these wrecks and people have been hurt • 1 do not agree with cul-de-sac of Fonville - prefer a "T" intersection Do not like option for emergency service vehicles • Do not like loss of left turn at High Holly Road More full movement intersections needed How in the world do moving vans do u-turns? Need full intersection at Waterwood or left turn northbound and left over at Waterwood Add a left over at Waterwood to keep peak evening traffic from coming through Daltons Ridge Alternative 3 • I do not agree with cul-de-sac of Fonville - prefer "T" Prefer to use existing roads - Falls of Neuse and not cut into existing environmental areas Create better access for emergency service vehicles • No way forcing right turn only out at Dunn is not desirable and down right crazy • Unworkable - too many u-turns unprotected by lights • This is no good I want a full service intersection at Lake Villa Bridge Structure • Single bridge - no walkways Interim construction access to the bridge construction would appear to have less environmental impact if it comes from south side of river and through the field er than over the tributary at the end of existing New Falls of the Neuse Road (Wakefield) • Dual spans are preferred if built concurrently Advantages of single span if it all gets built, is further ensuring widening will actually happen Miscellaneous Comments • We need serious consideration to be given to closing October Road, entrance and exit The street is not busy, it is poor quality - heavy equipment and trucks are tearing it up Persons turning into October Road speed and have often wrecked turning left into October Road and have often run into our yard and trees • Build a fence to block seeing and hearing traffic • Please consider left turn lights for Raven Ridge Road now It is impossible to make a left off of Raven Ridge during rush hours • All designs look good My only concern is Falls Fire Department having quick access to homes on Fonville Road • There should be a light at Tabriz There should be left turns at Dunn, Tabriz, Whittington and October Maybe a light at October • Keep project moving forward regardless of design so the highway network is improved Economic development potential of Wakefield Community can be fully realized once the bridges and widening are complete • Next meeting provide a better location that people can find or give directions in the newsletter and newspaper notice 2