20161169 Ver 1_More Info Received - Email_20161207

Moore, Andrew W
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Mr. Moore,
John <[e-mail]>
Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:49 AM
Moore, Andrew W
Re: Request for Additional Information, 220 Canoe Drive Shoreline Stabilization, Polk
County (DWR Project #20161169)
112_0140.JPG; 112_0141.JPG; scan0001.jpg; scan0002 jpg
Attached are some before and after pictures. scan0001.jpg and 112_1041.jpg are of the same location, left of
my dock, as scan0002.jpg and 112_0141.jpg are the same to the right. The scans were made Easter week
2000, the other two this morning.
In 112_0141.jpg you should see a shovel stuck in the ground with 3' of surveys tape on the handle. It is by the
stump of the dead tree at the feet of the young lady sleeping on a mat in scan0001.jpg. If you could measure
the difference in distance between the tree and stump(shovel) and the edge of the bank it would be about
two feet.
In scan0002.jpg the Green circled tree base is the Beaver destroyed stump, i.e. tree in the water, in
112_0140.jpg. At full pool today that stump is in the water, then, Spring 2000, it was a couple of feet
inland. As a side note we no longer have freshwater mussels in the water, I fear the sedimentation from this
erosion as killed them off.
Also looking at the length of survey tape it shows the bank there is about 3' high. To obtain the proper slope
of rip -rap I might have to go 5' out into the lake floor. Even at 5' out by 100' long ends up being .012 A, I
think. On the right side the bank height is less so the lake floor coverage would be also, making the .012 A a
maximum.
If there is anything else I need to send you please let me know.
John
From: Moore, Andrew W <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 11:11 AM
To: John
Cc: '[e-mail]'; Montalvo, Sheri A
Subject: Request for Additional Information, 220 Canoe Drive Shoreline Stabilization, Polk County (DWR Project
#20161169)
Mr. Watts,
On November 28, 2016, the Division of Water Resources (Division) received your application dated November 2, 2016,
requesting a 401 Water Quality Certification from the Division for the subject project. The Division has determined that

your application is incomplete and cannot be processed. The application is on hold until all of the following items are
addressed:
Please provide a photograph of the shoreline to be stabilized. If possible, include a scale of some sort (e.g. yard
stick, shovel, etc...). [15A NCAC .0506(b)(2)]
I understand that you propose to stabilize approximately 100 feet along the shoreline. Please clarify the
lakeward extent of the proposed stabilization measures (i.e. how far out horizontally into the lake bed from the
normal full pool elevation are you proposing to place rip rap?). [15A NCAC .0502(b)]
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Andrew W. Moore, P.G.
Environmental Specialist — Asheville Regional Office
Water Quality Regional Operations Section
NCDEQ — Division of Water Resources
828 296 4684 office
email: [e-mail]
2090 U.S. Hwy. 70
Swannanoa, N.C. 28778
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