20010944 Ver 3_Staff Comments_20080602

Re: River's Edge Project.... 010944 ver.3
Subject: Re: River's Edge Project.... 010944 ver.3
From: Ken Averitte <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:41:13 -0400
To: Patrick Smith <[e-mail]>, Ian McMillan <ian. mcmillan@ncmail. net>
Patrick,
Hope all is well on your end.
Will this project EVER get done and go away?
I've talked with Ian about your specific question. From what I gather, the rules could (more likely
would) require stormwater management from the entire development (including phase one) IF a 401 is
required and the impervious surface is high enough to require it. (It is)
That said, it has been our understanding all along (you, me, Bob Bennett, and Jack Carlisle), at least to
my recollection, that the road crossings into Phase 2 would be the trigger for stormwater management
requirements in the next phase. It looks like this was an error on my part. I hope Ian will take that into
consideration.
I do recall Bob Bennett considering all kinds of options to cross the stream without having to get a 401
and thereby avoid storm ponds, etc. that would be required. Is he still involved?
Given the property location, and as much as I would like to see stormwater controls for the entire site,
I will ask by copy of this e-mail that an exception be made so that the 401 certification can be issued
without the requirement for stormwater controls in Phase I.
As for the anticipated changes in the site plan, I believe the engineer would do well to at least nail
down the design of the stormwater treatment units, even if the arrangement of the apartments should
change. As long as the impervious surface remains the same, it might be easier to get a modification or
conditional approval. Can't say for sure. I'll let Ian and Annette make that call. One mistake per project
is enough.
Maybe this will come to pass before I retire.
let me know if I can help.
Thanks,
Ken
Patrick Smith wrote:
Ken,
Hey, long time no talkie! Hope all is well with you. I need a little help with the project review that Ian
McMillan is doing. Specifically Item 1.e. described in his May 14th letter (it appears that he signed it for
Cyndi Karoly).
He's asking for a stormwater plan for the ENTIRE site, not just what is proposed for future development.
This isn't going to work nor is in consistent with what Jack Carlisle has been told for the last few years
(yeah, I know, YEARS!).
While I understand Ian wanting to do the right thing here, we can't at this point expect that Jack can go
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back and start retrofitting a portion of the site that's been done, built-out, and occupied for years now.
We've said all along that we'd prepare a Stormwater Plan for the proposed development not what was
already built.
We're trying to get the stream and wetland restored as soon as possible but it seems that we can't do this
until Ian gets satisfied. At this point we all know there's a reasonable likelihood that the proposed site plans
for the undeveloped portion of the site will change. Can't DWQ make it a condition of the permit that "if
proposed site development plans change that a REVISED stormwater plan needs to be approved BEFORE
construction"?
Our immediate goal is to get the restoration work done before too much longer. At this point we've got the
404 from USACE and now we're struggling to get DWQ on board so we can get to work on the
stream/wetland work.
Can you weigh into this with Ian for me please? I'm sure he's not aware of the long illustrious history of the
site.
Please call me if we need to discuss.
Thanks,
Patrick
PATRICK K. SMITH, P.E.
Soil & Water Resources Division Mgr.
Soil & Environmental Consultants, PA
11010 Raven Ridge Road
Raleigh, NC 27614
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