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Wanucha, Dave
From:Eller, Douglas W
Sent:Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:40 PM
To:Chambers, Marla J; Matthews, Monte K SAW; Kichefski, Steven L SAW; Slaughter, Johnathan H
Cc:Dagnino, Carla S; Wanucha, Dave; Barrett, William A; Shown, Marc T; Buncick, Marella; 'vanderwiele.cynthia@epa.gov'; Beaver, G Trent; Pettyjohn, Michael A
Subject:RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
Marla
The previous property owner contacted us and asked us to look at his property eroding at the outlet of the pipe installed as part of the project. He had contacted us several times about
the damage being done to his
property and his driveway being washed away. At of the point of discharge it was evident that the water that was coming from the storm drain was making its way through the woods and
across his drive. I asked the
Hydraulics Unit to come up and review so that a solution could be found to eliminate the concerns of the property owner. Since the outlet of the pipe was already showing early signs
of cutting a ditch through the
woods, it was the Departments opinion the problem would be recurring and that the eroding/cutting of the ditch would eventually create a large ravine over a period of years. In addition
the point discharge would
continue to find its way to the drive and continue washing the driveway. Since the property owner brought it to the Department's attention, the Division was obligated to try to correct
the problem that will continue to
exist if not corrected. After Hydraulics reviewed this area in the field, it was decided that piping the storm water was the best solution to prevent future erosion and protect the drive.
The plastic pipe you saw along the slope is temporary slope drain used during construction to protect the slope from washing. That pipe will be removed.
Unless Hydraulics Unit objects, I see no reason why we could not stop the pipe shorter and install longer rip rapped ditch to further dissipate the energy. We would need to carry the
pipe across the driveway to try to
prevent the drive from washing. Once we cross the drive where ever the property owners involved would like, we could stop the pipe and continue with the rip rap ditch if that is more
desirable. Typically property
owners do not want open ditches on their property so we were operating on that premise.
The zig zagging pipe is a means to dissipate the energy of the water while it is in the pipe system. Every time the water has to travel through a turn or go through a drainage structure
it loses energy. So the zigzag
design was a method to reduce the energy as much as possible before the water got to the outlet. The property owners that own the up slope woods portion of the drainage revision have
already signed. Part of the
condition of their signature was the number of trees that were to be cut. Although the PDE is 100' wide the contractor agreed to only cut the trees necessary to get the pipe system installed.
So clearcutting of the PDE
is not supposed to occur. The current owners expressed a desire to build a vacation rental on the slope adjacent to the PDE and requested that we leave as many trees as possible.
Hopefully this answers some of your questions.
doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Chambers, Marla J
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:42 PM
To: Matthews, Monte K SAW; Kichefski, Steven L SAW; Slaughter, Johnathan H; Eller, Douglas W
Cc: Dagnino, Carla S; Wanucha, Dave; Barrett, William A; Shown, Marc T; Buncick, Marella; 'vanderwiele.cynthia@epa.gov'
Subject: RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
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I met with the property owner, Mr. Marshall, and Dave Wanucha (DWR) on site yesterday. I took a number of photos, I'll share some in a subsequent email. The visit left me with additional
questions, particularly about
the erosion issue prompting the mod request. From the current outlet of the pipe downslope to the gravel road (Bills Lane), there appeared to be only minor erosion, however there has
been a washout of the road last
winter. That washout left a channel of gravel meandering through the relatively flat area between the road and the stream. Part of that flow took a direct path similar to where the pipe
is proposed, but it appears the
majority of the flow meandered parallel to the stream, through the relatively flat area for a ways. That area is approximately 75' wide between thee road and the stream.
So is that washout months ago the reason for the mod? Was the drainage pattern different upslope in the construction zone then? There was also a plastic flexible pipe upslope directing
the water away from the
current pipe outlet, is that temporary or permanent? Was that there during the washout or placed there afterwards? Could the washout have occurred due to certain circumstances that no
longer exist, or is this likely
a recurring problem? I'm trying to better understand the problem to make sure the solution makes sense.
The plans are calling for an 8' x 12' riprap pad between the pipe outlet and the stream, however there is a marker indicating the end of pipe at the edge of the stream channel, aimed
at a rock on the other side of the
small stream. So I'm not sure if the current plans are feasible and if they are, could the pipe outlet sooner and the riprap be extended to accomplish some treatment and energy dissipation.
Perhaps a riprap channel
could run parallel to the stream, like the path the washout flow took, for even better treatment and dissipation. Maybe a level spreader can be incorporated. Since the plans call for
the pipe to be zigzagged down the
slope, there appear to be many options for where the pipe crosses the road and emerges.
The installation of the zigzagging pipe would likely involve a lot of tree clearing and earth moving. I do question the need for all that and am concerned about it occurring during the
trout spawning season. Couldn't a
riprap drainage channel be run down the slope, like I see on large fill slopes? Or maybe all that's needed are a few strategically placed rocks upslope to spread out or redirect the
flow. Another thought we had in the
field was to collect the water on the upslope side if the road and run it in a ditch or pipe beside the road. If a pipe, then outlet it far enough away from the receiving stream to get
some treatment.
Those are some thoughts and questions. Seems like we need to get some people together to figure out what's really going on, what is needed to solve and how best to do it.
Marla
Marla Chambers // NCDOT Coordinator
Habitat Conservation Program
NC Wildlife Resources Commission
c/o NCDOT
206 Charter Street
Albemarle, North Carolina 28001
office: 704-982-9181
mobile: 704-984-1070
Marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org
ncwildlife.org
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From: Chambers, Marla J
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:35 PM
To: Matthews, Monte K SAW <Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil>; 'Kichefski, Steven L SAW' <Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil>; Slaughter, Johnathan H <hslaughter@ncdot.gov>; Eller, Douglas
W
<dweller@ncdot.gov>
Cc: Dagnino, Carla S <cdagnino@ncdot.gov>; Wanucha, Dave <dave.wanucha@ncdenr.gov>; Barrett, William A <wabarrett@ncdot.gov>; Shown, Marc T <mshown@ncdot.gov>; Buncick, Marella
<marella_buncick@fws.gov>; vanderwiele.cynthia@epa.gov
Subject: RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
I have reviewed the permit modification and have spoken with the property owner at the proposed outlet at Site XIV, Mr. Shannon Marshall. I'm scheduled to meet with him on site on Tuesday
to get a better view of
the situation. If I understand correctly, issues with Mr. Marshall (signing of drainage easement) will need to be resolved before the permit can be issued and construction take place.
It looks like that will probably go
beyond Nov. 1. Once we determine the best way to resolve this and the amount of work involved, I intend to allow a short suspension of the moratorium, just long enough to do the work.
Mr. Marshall appears to be trying to ensure that long term negative impacts to the trout stream and his property do not occur and that this is resolved is the best manner. I'm told that
shoulder berm gutters will be
used to transport water along the US 321 project into the pipe that takes it downhill and outlets on his property to flow to Baileys Camp Creek. Then an 8' long riprap dissipater outlet
pad is proposed between the pipe
and the stream (although the end of pipe is marked at the stream channel in the field). This provides little to no filtration or treatment of the stormwater. The pipe does reduce the
slope to be relatively flat the last 80'
or so and outlets at a 90 degree angle to the stream. The concerns are with both water quality and quantity/velocity. Erosive forces in the channel could jeopardize a pond dam at the
bank of the stream about 100 '
downstream, as well as impact the quality of the water in the trout stream.
I'm wondering if there are any opportunities for improvements here that could help Mr. Marshall and me feel more comfortable with this work, so we can move forward and get the erosion
situation fixed. Can riprap
ditches be used instead of shoulder berm gutters? Can the pipe outlet location be changed to allow for a longer riprap treatment and energy dissipation and a better angle to the stream?
Can the inside of the pipe be
roughened (such as a series of sills)? Can NCDOT agree to monitor the channel at and downstream of the pipe outlet to ensure long term stability?
I'm hoping we can find a way to protect the trout stream and move forward on this.
Marla
Marla Chambers // NCDOT Coordinator
Habitat Conservation Program
NC Wildlife Resources Commission
c/o NCDOT
206 Charter Street
Albemarle, North Carolina 28001
office: 704-982-9181
mobile: 704-984-1070
Marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org
ncwildlife.org
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kichefski, Steven L SAW \[mailto:Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil\]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:07 PM
To: Slaughter, Johnathan H <hslaughter@ncdot.gov>; Eller, Douglas W <dweller@ncdot.gov>; Chambers, Marla J <marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org>
Cc: Matthews, Monte K SAW <Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil>; Dagnino, Carla S <cdagnino@ncdot.gov>
Subject: RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
Heath/Marla,
Just wanted to let you know that in an effort to get this modification done as soon as possible, Monte will be working on this one. I have copied him on this email.
Regards,
Steve
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From: Slaughter, Johnathan H \[mailto:hslaughter@ncdot.gov\]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:47 AM
To: Eller, Douglas W <dweller@ncdot.gov>; Chambers, Marla J <marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org>
Cc: Kichefski, Steven L SAW <Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil>
Subject: \[EXTERNAL\] FW: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
Marla,
Be advised that this proposed work is being done to fix and ongoing erosion issue. I would think you would want it addressed even if during the winter. We are fine with doing the work
prior to 11/1 but that is
dependent on getting the modification back from the corps soon.
From: Chambers, Marla J
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:43 AM
To: Dagnino, Carla S <cdagnino@ncdot.gov>
Cc: Slaughter, Johnathan H <hslaughter@ncdot.gov>
Subject: RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
If the work can be done by Nov. 1, we can agree to delay the start of the moratorium until then. If not, I'll need more info as to how long it will take to do the in-water/in-buffer
work and how much soil disturbance and
potential for losing sediment into the stream there will be. I do request that ground-disturbing work occurring in the buffer during the 2-week delay be minimized.
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Marla
Marla Chambers // NCDOT Coordinator
Habitat Conservation Program
NC Wildlife Resources Commission
c/o NCDOT
206 Charter Street
Albemarle, North Carolina 28001
office: 704-982-9181
mobile: 704-984-1070
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From: Dagnino, Carla S
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Chambers, Marla J <marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org <mailto:marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org> >
Subject: FW: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
Hi Marla,
Please see the email below. The Division is asking for an allowance to work instream beyond the moratorium date of October 15th.
Will you please give input on this - so they can address the problem at this site?
Thanks!
Carla
From: Eller, Douglas W
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:43 AM
To: Dagnino, Carla S
Cc: Slaughter, Johnathan H; Beaver, G Trent
Subject: RE: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
Carla
Is there anyway we can get a verbal to proceed with this work or permission to install these rip rap dissipater pads after Oct 15. We desperately need to correct and prevent any further
erosion damages to the
property receiving our storm drain flow from the project. Currently we're waiting on AT&T to move they're lines in conflict. AT&T in notoriously slow and I'm afraid by their fault we
will be pushed a little passed the
Oct 15 timeframe. I think this is a benefit to all to get this addressed.
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Thanks
Doug Eller
District Engineer
From: Slaughter, Johnathan H
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:36 AM
To: Beaver, G Trent; Eller, Douglas W
Subject: FW: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
FYI
From: Dagnino, Carla S
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 5:11 PM
To: 'Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil' <Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil <mailto:Steven.L.Kichefski@usace.army.mil> >; Chapman, Amy <amy.chapman@ncdenr.gov <mailto:amy.chapman@ncdenr.gov>
>
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<mailto:djoyner@ncdot.gov> >; Militscher, Chris (militscher.chris@epa.gov <mailto:militscher.chris@epa.gov> ) <militscher.chris@epa.gov <mailto:militscher.chris@epa.gov> >; Monte Matthews
(Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil <mailto:Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil> ) <Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil <mailto:Monte.K.Matthews@usace.army.mil> >; Tony Able (Able.tony@Epa.gov
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<mailto:tkoch@ncdot.gov> >; Carpenter,Kristi <kristilynn.carpenter@ncdenr.gov <mailto:kristilynn.carpenter@ncdenr.gov> >; Chambers, Marla J <marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org
<mailto:marla.chambers@ncwildlife.org> >; Mellor, Colin <cmellor@ncdot.gov <mailto:cmellor@ncdot.gov> >; NCDOT Service Account - Roadway Design <roadwaydesign@ncdot.gov
<mailto:roadwaydesign@ncdot.gov> >; Pettyjohn, Michael A <mpettyjohn@ncdot.gov <mailto:mpettyjohn@ncdot.gov> >; Slaughter, Johnathan H <hslaughter@ncdot.gov <mailto:hslaughter@ncdot.gov>
>; Staley,
Mark K <mstaley@ncdot.gov <mailto:mstaley@ncdot.gov> >; Wanucha, Dave <dave.wanucha@ncdenr.gov <mailto:dave.wanucha@ncdenr.gov> >; Wilkins, Ronald B <rbwilkins@ncdot.gov
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; Barrett,
William A <wabarrett@ncdot.gov <mailto:wabarrett@ncdot.gov> >
Subject: Permit Modification Application for R-2237C Watauga/Caldwell Counties
The Permit Modification Application for R-2237C has been posted to the website. The electronic copy can be viewed /downloaded at
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Named: R-2237C MOD Caldwell Watauga September 27 2016
Thank you.
Carla Dagnino
Western Region Environmental Program Supervisor II
Natural Environment Section
Project Development and Environmental Analysis
NC Department of Transportation
919 707 6110 office
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