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Wrenn, Brian L
From: Tisdale, Jessica <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:10 PM
To: Wrenn, Brian L; Bailey, David E SAW ([e-mail])
Cc: Jamison, John R.
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Thanks Brian. I will assume this means we need only to mitigate for wetland impacts unless David says otherwise.
Cripple Creek has limited wetland credits that we can use and more credits will come online in October according to Tiffany Bylow at
Cripple Creek. Depending on your findings with NCWAM and set mitigation ratios, we might have enough credits from the Cripple
Creek bank.
I want to confirm John Jamison is available for a site visit with you both on July 15th at lpm. His desk phone number is 919-232-
6625 and his cell is 919-801-8471.
Please confirm you will all be able to meet up at 1 pm. at the Harris Teeter at the intersection of Horse Pen Creek Road and New
Garden Road.
I have enclosed the impact sheets for everyone to review and we will provide paper copies and updates (ie, waterline relocation, and a
couple cosmetic things) to them on the 15th. If the slingshot program does not work for you let me know and I can resend another
way.
Thank you,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wrenn, Brian L [mailto:brian.wrenn(a�ncdenr.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, July O5, 2016 1:57 PM
To: Tisdale, Jessica; Bailey, David E SAW
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Jessica,
It doesn't have any impact on how I see the impacts/mitigation. Our mitigation thresholds are still 1501f of perennial stream and 1 ac.
of wetlands.
Thanks,
Brian Wrenn

919-707-8792
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From: Tisdale, Jessica fmailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July O5, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Wrenn, Brian L<[e-mail]>; Bailey, David E SAW <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Hi David and Brian,
Hope you both had a nice 4th of July.
I touched based with the PM on the Horsepen Creek Widening Project and Horsepen Creek will not be a NCDOT maintained road as
the City has decided to take over maintenance. Since this is the case, we should not treat this as a NCDOT project. Can you both
comment on how to proceed with the stream and wetland impacts and mitigation?
We have 91 feet of permanent impact on two streams (50 and 41 LF at an intermittent and perennial) and 0117 acres of wetlands.
Does this preclude us from stream mitigation then?
I will have full impact sets for you both tomorrow via email (and for the TBD site visit) and have a final word on which day is best for
our biologists to meet you at the project.
Thanks,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tisdale, Jessica
Sent: Friday, July O1, 2016 9:10 AM
To: 'Wrenn, Brian L; Bailey, David E SAW
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
OK that sounds great, talk to you both then.
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wrenn, Brian L [mailto:brian.wrenn(a�ncdenr.gov]
Sent: Friday, July O1, 2016 9:09 AM
To: Bailey, David E SAW; Tisdale, Jessica
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
I can do 230-330 today.
Thanks,

Brian Wrenn
919-707-8792
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From: Bailey, David E SAW �mailto:David.E.Baile�(a�usace.arm .mil
Sent: Friday, July O1, 2016 8:59 AM
To: Tisdale, Jessica <[e-mail]>; Wrenn, Brian L<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Hi a1L Pm working today but not available for a conference call unti1230 or later this afternoon. Would that work for anyone else?
Sorry for the short notice.
-Dave Bailey
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From: Tisdale, Jessica fmailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:21 PM
To: Wrenn, Brian L <[e-mail]>
Cc: Bailey, David E SAW <[e-mail]>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
I listened to David's voicemail and he is in the field tomorrow. How about Friday at 10 AM?
Does that work for you Brian?
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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From: Tisdale, Jessica
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 1235 PM

To: 'Wrenn, Brian L'
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Sounds great! David and Brian are you available tomorrow at 10 AM? I am about to go on maternity leave (any day now), so the
sooner the better for me.
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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From: Wrenn, Brian L [mailto:brian.wrenn(a�ncdenr.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:13 PM
To: Tisdale, Jessica
Cc: [e-mail] <mailto:david.e.baile.� usace.army.mil>
Subject: FW: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Jessica,
I am the DWR contact for Div. 7 and 8. You can forward any future information to me. The remainder of June and most of July is
open for me to have a conference call on the project.
Thanks,
Brian Wrenn
919-707-8792
From: Wanucha, Dave
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 9:ll AM
To: Wrenn, Brian L <[e-mail] <mailto:brian.wrenn(a�ncdenr.gov> >
Subject: FW: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
For you.

Dave Wanucha
Division of Water Resources
Transportation Permitting Unit
NC Department of Environmental Quality
336-776-9703 office
336-403-5655 mobile
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NC DEQ Winston Salem Regional Office
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From: Tisdale, Jessica fmailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:12 PM
To: Bailey, David E SAW <[e-mail] <mailto:David.E.Baile.� usace.army.mil> >; Wanucha, Dave
<[e-mail] <mailto:dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov> >
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Hi David,
I have our impacts for Horsepen Creek Widening buttoned up. We will need to pursue wetland mitigation only as we have 018 acres
of wetlands that need compensatory mitigation.

We will have 91 LF of permanent stream impacts and 69 LF of temporary stream impacts which is below the permit threshold. We
already have a buffer determination (Jordan buffers) from Amy Euliss in 2012 for the streams.
I have NCWAM forms from 2012 (yes we were doing these then!) that report low and medium bottomland hardwood forested riparian
wetlands along Horsepen Creek.
I would like to speak with you further about the wetland mitigation ratios required for this project. I can send information over to you
via email (impact plans, NCWAM, past correspondence) or if you would like to request a site visit please let me know. I need to be in
contact with the banks fairly soon to lock in the wetland credits needed since this project is going to bid in October. Cripple Creek
bank looks to have some available on RIBITS.
Below are some snapshots that can help you see the wetland impact locations. Please let me know a good time both of you would like
a quick conference call this week Pll call you both tomorrow regardless.
Thank you,
Wetland B- 01 ac of permanent PFO impact (low score on NCWAM)
Wetland C- 0.02 ac of permanent PFO impact (medium score on NCWAM)
Below is a snapshot of wetland impacts (north is facing down on this map, opposite of the aerial above). Green lined areas are the
permanent wetland impacts.
Buffers: red areas are zone 1 and blue areas are zone 2.
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tisdale, Jessica
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:54 AM
To: Bailey, David E SAW; '[e-mail]
Subject: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
Hello Mr. Bailey and Mr. Wanucha,
Horsepen Creek Widening project has been influx for years now and I believe it is time to permit the job.
Please confirm that both of you will be the representative folks for USACE and DWR It has changed a couple times over the years
and I want to make sure both of you will be reviewing the permitting documents. Please feel free to see the below emails over the
years.
I have a few questions and would like to make phone calls to each of you tomorrow if you are in the office. Can we do this all
together? I am free all day, how about 130 pm?
Thank you,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale, CE
Environmental Scientist II
HDR
555 Fayetteville St., Suite 900
Raleigh, NC 27601
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
[e-mail] <mailto:jessica.tisdale(a�hdrinc.com>
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From: Thomas, John T JR SAW [mailto:John.T.Thomas.JR(a�usace.army.mil <mailto:John.T.Thomas.JR(a�usace.army.mil> ]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:04 AM

To: Bailey, David E SAW; Tisdale, Jessica
Subject: FW: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls (iJNCLASSIFIED)
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Jessica
I am again forwarding your e-mail for this project to David Bailey who is the project manager for Guilford Co.
John Thomas
Raleigh Regulatory Field Office
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From: Tisdale, Jessica fmailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com <mailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com> ]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:59 AM
To: Wanucha, Dave; Thomas, John T JR SAW
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
Mr. Wanucha and Mr. Thomas,
Thanks to both of you for responding yesterday. I went ahead and produced a drawing so you can visualize the area and respond by
email or phone.
The enclosed drawing shows the dual proposed bridges over Horsepen Creek. The waterline is currently on the southside (north arrow
down) and we would like to move it to the north since the road ROW area is too narrow on the north side to allow the installation of
the waterline outside the road ROW. We are proposing to relocate the waterline during the removal of the 4 barrel box culvert to the
north side of the road. The waterline needs to stay out of the bridge footprint and is located just north of the bridge footprint (15-20
feet) within the original footprint of the culvert.

This should be an acceptable engineering process as far as temporary impacts since equipment will be in the stream already pulling
out the culvert. They will need to dig down the necessary depth to place the waterline and from what I recall that is at least 5 feet.
This installation will not affect any wetlands; wetlands A, B and C will be avoided.
Please let me know if you have any concerns with this waterline installation method.
Thank you,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale, CE
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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From: Wanucha, Dave [mailto:dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov <mailto:dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov> ]
Sent: Wednesday, November O5, 2014 5:10 PM
To: Tisdale, Jessica
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
Hey Jessica,
I am available to take a call on Friday of this week at the cell phone number below. Or, I may could handle it via email. Can you
send me the question and some specifics?
Dave W
Please be advised: Beginning October 23, 2014, the Winston Salem Regional Office (WSRO) of the NC Department of Environment
and Natural Resources (NCDENR) will begin moving to a new location. Starting October 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm, our new main
telephone number will change to 336-776-9800. If you contact staff at their prvious telephone number, you will be directed to their
new direct telephone number. All regional office services, including file review, will continue and all appointments need to be
prescheduled with WSRO staff during this transition. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the main number provided
above during our normal hours of operation, 8:00 am to 5:00 pm.
Effective October 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm, my office telephone number will change to 335-776-9703.
Dave Wanucha
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NC DENR Winston Salem Region Office
NC Division of Water Resources
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Winston-Salem, NC
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From: Tisdale, Jessica fmailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com <mailto:Jessica.Tisdale(a�hdrinc.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, November O5, 2014 430 PM
To: [e-mail] <mailto:John.T.Thomas.JR(a�usace.army.mil> ; Wanucha, Dave
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
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Good afternoon John and Dave,
The below project and correspondence below is from over two years ago with Amy Euliss and Thomas Brown. You both are the new
regulators as far as I can te1L The project schedule was pushed back and now the project is projected to go to construction in early
2016.
I have a permitting question regarding the Horsepen Creek culvert removal, and relocation of the water line that affects the waterline
design.
Please let me know when you would be available for a phone call concerning this matter. I tried reaching you both this week but
understand you are probably out in the field or in meetings.
Best regards,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale, CE
D 919232.6654 M 919360.8460
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From: Tisdale, Jessica
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:24 PM
To: '[e-mail]'
Cc: '[e-mail]
Subject: FW: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
Thomas and Amy,
Enclosed is a vicinity map of Horse Pen Creek Road Widening project.
I propose that we meet in the field on Wednesday, February 8th at l0am.
Amy, please send me a quick confu-rnation email if you will be able to attend the field visit. I will throw out some other dates that may
work that week.
Regards,
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Jessica
From: Euliss, Amy [mailto:amy.euliss(a�ncdenr.gov <mailto:amy.euliss(a�ncdenr.gov> ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 ll:02 AM
To: Tisdale, Jessica
Cc: Basinger, Corey
Subject: RE: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
Jessica,
Pll be your contact. Give me a call.
Amy
336-771-4959
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Basinger, Corey; Euliss, Amy
Subject: Horse Pen Creek Widening Project - Stream and Buffer Calls
Hi Corey and Amy,
I am reviewing wetlands and streams on the proposed Horse Pen Creek Road widening job (from Garden Parkway to I-74
interchange) in NW Greensboro. It is a 3.4 mile widening proj ect that will replace a culvert with a bridge at Horse Pen Creek and will
add roadway features that include additional travel lanes for vehicles, bicycles and pedestrians. Wetland/stream delineation has been
completed, and we are in the process of writing an NRTR for our client, the City of Greensboro. This project will be fully funded by
the City and is anticipated to go to construction in 2014.
I am looking to schedule a stream and buffer call visit soon with your field office. Who should I coordinate with at DWQ? Please let
me know the appropriate person and I will give them a call.
Thank you,
Jessica
Jessica Tisdale
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