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Re: Carolina Beach Road Improvement Site Plans
Subject: Re: Carolina Beach Road Improvement Site Plans
From: Noelle Lutheran <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:35:13 -0400
To: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <[e-mail]>
CC: Sean Clark <[e-mail]>, Bob Zarzecki <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail], "Jolly, Samuel K SAW" <[e-mail]>, "Harris,
Keith A SAW" <[e-mail]>, tim owens
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail], Joanne Steenhuis
<[e-mail]>, Cyndi Karoly <[e-mail]>, Ian McMillan
<[e-mail]>
Jennifer,
I strongly recommend that DWQ staff be included in a meeting with S&EC and the Town
of Carolina Beach concerning the subject project. In addition to unresolved
violation issues, practical alternatives, minimization and avoidance efforts, and
mitigation, there are also serious stormwater issues associated with securing a
State stormwater Management Permit and a 401 Water Quality Certification from DWQ as
previously discussed.
Please coordinate the meeting date and time with Cyndi Karoly and Ian McMillan out
of the DWQ 401 Oversight and Express Unit in Raleigh. One of them will be happy to
attend the meeting in my absence.
Sincerely,
Noelle Lutheran
Frye, Jennifer S SAW wrote:
I Sean,
April 26 th will not work if you want all three of us (me, Keith and Ken) in
attendance - Keith is on leave and Ken will just be returning to the office. We
will let you know what day(s) we would be available; most likely mid-May at the
earliest.
In regards to the delineation and the plan sheets you have emailed; I have
concerns about Sheet 3/Searay Lane. I believe that this was the area that we
(Noelle and I) had concerns that the upland area between the two wetland pockets
was actually fill resulting from the historic sewer line (unauthorized activity)
installation. I found the old file on the enforcement action and notice that
Angie Pennock had issued an after-the-fact NWP 39 verification for 0.333 acres of
wetland fill for roads; however, the permitted areas are not for Searay Lane.
So, this may be an additional unauthorized activity; I recommend you discuss this
with the Town. We need to track down the when, who and why this area is filled.
Also, I cannot find any record that the Town made payment to EEP (then WRP) for
their compensatory mitigation. If not, that's a permit non-compliance that needs
to be addressed. Based on the last field inspection, I am comfortable with the
wetland line you had flagged, so I do not see any need for an additional site
visit - the only concerns now are with what is permitted fill versus
non-permitted.
As far as the Town's project, if you/they want to wait for a meeting to discuss
the permitting process again, that's fine. One alternative would be to submit an
IP application to get the process and project review started; which I would
actually recommend. Going through the formal permitting process will "flush out"
any of the outstanding issues with respect to the old permit, historic fill,
alternatives, purpose and need, and secondary and cumulative impacts and, in the
long run, probably save the Town time.
Sincerely,
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Re: Carolina Beach Road Improvement Site Plans
Jennifer
*From:* Sean Clark [mailto:[e-mail]]
*Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2007 1:40 PM
*To:* Frye, Jennifer S SAW
*Subject:* Carolina Beach Road Improvement Site Plans
« CB Impact Maps Overall Site Layout Sheet l.pdf» « CB Impact Maps Sheet 2.pdf»
« CB Impact Maps Sheet 3.pdf» « CB Impact Maps Sheet 4.pdf» « CB Impact Maps
Sheet 5.pdf» « CB Impact Maps Sheet 6.pdf»
Jennifer,
I've attached the proposed site plan (overall and separate impact sheets) for
the Carolina Beach road project showing easements, grading, sidewalks
(east/west), etc. The largest impact occurs along Spot Lane, which is currently
undeveloped and does not have any utility lines going through it. The ditch that
runs parallel to Snapper Lane has been flagged and surveyed but has not been
incorporated in this revision. Given the ditch's proximity to the current road
and the width of the current road, the plans propose filling or piping the
feature. This ditch will be shown on the survey that I will send to you as well.
Kevin Martin (S&EC) was the original project manager during the issuance of the
NWP 12's. Due to its potentially precedent setting issues (e.g. roads having been
platted and lots having been sold in the 1930's prior to the Clean Water Act of
the 1970's), Kevin has asked that we hold a meeting with Kevin, Bob Zarzecki,
and I from S&EC and you, Keith, and Ken from the USACE as well as the project
engineers and representatives from the Town. It would be great if we could have
the office meeting the same day as our site meeting (April 26th), but if that
does not work with your schedules please let me know a date that does. Please
forward this or a separate email to Keith and Ken and let me know.
Thanks
Sean Clark
Natural Resources Program Manager
Soil & Environmental Consultants, PA
11010 Raven Ridge Road
Raleigh, NC 27614
Ph: 919-846-5900
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[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project]]
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project]]
From: Annette Lucas <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:53:24 -0400
To: Ian McMillan <[e-mail]>
FYI - from Linda.
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project]
From: Linda Lewis <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:51:05 -0400
To: Annette Lucas <[e-mail]>
Annette:
I attended a meeting on November 9, 2006 with Noelle regarding this project. I've
attached a copy of my notes from that meeting in pdf format. Most of the meeting
centered around the wetlands issues, but stormwater was discussed at the end.
Because of all the piping they wanted to do to reduce flooding, the best solution
appeared to be constructing roadside swales over top of the piping and installing
raised inlets in the swales to force some detention time. They wanted to use an
existing lake, but the Corps claimed jurisdiction.
Noelle and I both determined that for a situation like this, a stormwater permit
would be required if the disturbance exceeded 1 acre. If there are no lots involved,
the permit they would apply for is the "Other" permit for public roads and bridges,
which requires them to: 1)minimize the BUA; 2)direct runoff away from surface waters;
and 3)employ BMP's to minimize water quality impacts.
Adding lots to the mix would be a low density or high density subdivision permit,
wherein the developer kept the overall BUA under 250 or 300 (depending on location &
receiving stream classification) or provided an engineered system to treat the
runoff.
Linda
Annette Lucas wrote:
I Linda,
Here's an email from me that's not about POHD or the Manual!
Ian McMillan and I have a meeting on Tuesday with a consultant to discuss the
Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project. The consultant, Brian Cox, is trying
to get out of doing a stormwater management plan by calling it a "street
improvements project," however, lots are also associated with it. We are aware
that there is some history of this project with Noelle and were wondering if you
might have access to that info. We think Noelle may have already told then they
need to do a lot-by-lot stormwater plan. Anyway, it seems they are regulator
shopping and we want to foil that plan by requiring the same thing that Noelle
told them in the first place.
I know you are busy, but if you have any time to let us know the history of the
project from the WiRO perspective (before our Tues. am meeting next week), we
would really appreciate it.
Thanks!
Annette
Subject:
Re: Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project
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1 of 2 12/14/2007 1:07 PM

[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: Carolina Beach Street Improvements Project]]
Annette Lucas <[e-mail]>
Date:
Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:08:55 -0400
To:
[e-mail]
To:
[e-mail]
CC:
Ian McMillan <[e-mail]>
Brian,
Unfortunately Ian is not available next week, but he can meet with you on Monday
the following week. Can you meet with us on Monday, June 18 at 2:00 pm here at
our office?
Annette
becox wrote:
Annette,
I am working with the Town of Carolina Beach on a street improvements project.
The project basically involves the installation of asphalt roads, sidewalks and
storm drainage in areas where there are currently dirt streets. The project
area, called Wilmington Beach, has been platted since the 1920~s. The town is
currently putting together an application for an individual permit to submit to
the USACE.
I would like to meet with you to discuss the project and how we can put
together an plan for your review.
Brian Cox
Engineering Services, PA
919-662-7272
Annette Lucas <annette.lucasna,ncmail.net>
Environmental Engineer III
401 Wetlands Oversight/Express Unit
NC Division of Water Quality
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