20240394 Ver 1_More Info Received_20240408

From: Dail,Jason
To: Snider. Holle ; Luck. Cameron A; Hair, Sarah E CIV CESAW CESAD (US; Harding, Kimberlee ; Dunn. Maria T.
Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 200713570 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Date: Monday, April 8, 2024 9:46:03 AM
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Good morning. Water depths were confirmed at the project site during DCIVI site visit on 10/25/2023. Let me know if
you need anything else.
Thankyou,
Jason
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From: Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
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To: Luck, Cameron A <[e-mail]>; Hair, Sarah E CIV CESAW CESAD (US <Sarah. E. Hair@ usace.army.mil>; Harding,
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Please see the question noted on the attached drawing. Thanks.
HolleySnider.-'
Environmental Specialist 11
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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From: Luck, Cameron A <Cameron. Luck@deq. nc.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 2:58 PM
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Kimberlee k <Kim berlee. Harding(@deq.nc.go >; Dunn, Maria T. <maria.dunn(@ncvvildlife.org>
Subject: Fw: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Good Afternoon All,
Sounds like we received NCIDIVIF's approval following their field visit. Curious where everyone else is with their
comments/authorizations. The most recent drawings are attached and have been upLoaded as the most recent drawings in
the portal. If you can upload those comments to the portal. or send my waythat wouLd be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Cameron Luck
Assistant Major Permits Coordinator
North Carolina Division of Coastal Management
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 11:46 AM
To: Luck, Cameron A <Cameron.LuckPdeq,nc.gov>
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Hi, Cameron.

Wanted to check in on the next step for this project. I assume we need Holley to chime in, since her concerns
were based upon Kim's comments. However, in my 2/9 response to Holley's 2/8 RFAI (located within this email
string) we reduced the dredging area and have since verified that SAV are no longer a concern. She is out until
next week.
What if any comments did we receive from the USACE? I don't see anything in my files where they have
contributed to this at all. Were they copied on the DMFs and DWR's concerns? Would that be holding them up?
Would this be Gregg or Liz?
The applicant has a marine contractor set up to get started, and would like to know when he should expect the
CAMA Permit.
Many thanks!!
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
SEG
Southern Environmental Group, Inc
5315 South College Rd, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 28412
910.4S2.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:41 PM
To: 'Harding, Kimberlee k' <Kimberlee.Harding(@deQ.nc.gov>; 'Luck, Cameron A' <Cameron, Luck(@deq, nc.gov>
Cc: 'Dail, Jason' <6ason.daiI(@deq.nc.gov>; 'Snider, Holley' <hoIIe�.snider(@deQ.nc.Rov>; 'Dunn, Maria T.'
<maria.dunn(@ncwiIdIife.orR>; 'Andrew Smith'<andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com>
Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Thank you, Kim, for meeting Andrew and me out there. I've attached the plan for everyone's convenience.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
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Southern Environmental Group, Inc
5315 South College Rd, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 28412
910.452.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
From: Harding, Kimberlee k <Kimberlee. Hard inR(@deq.nc.Rov>
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 3:12 PM
To: Luck, Cameron A <Cameron, Luck(@ deq.nc.gov>
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
The DMIF conducted a site visit on 3/25/2024. Afterfincling no SAV present, the NCDMF does not have anyfurther concerns
with the design submitted 2/19/2024.

Thankyou.
Kim Harding
From: dlutheran(@segi.u5 <dlutheran(@seRi.us>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:19 PM
To: Harding, Kimberlee k <Kim berlee. Harding(@deq.nc.go >; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Dail, Jason <iason.dail(@deQ.nc.gov>
Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
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Kim,
Jason, provided the exhibit below showing what I believe the DMF thinks is an acceptable dredge limit. The
attached site plan has been revised to reflect adherence to that guidance to the best of our ability (see attached).
Please let me know what you think.
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
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Southern Environmental Group, Inc
5315 South College Rd, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 28412
910.452.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
From: Dail, Jason <0ason.dail(cDdeq.nc.Ro >
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 8:45 AM
To: Lutheran, Dana <dIutheranPsegi.ua>
Subject: FW: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Fender Co.
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From: dlutheran(@segi.u3.<dlutheranPsegi.us>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 10:40:45 AM
To: Harding, Kimberlee k <Kim berlee. Harding(cDdeq.nc.go >; Snider, Holley <holley.sniderPdeq.nc.gov>;
andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com <andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com>
Cc: Dunn, Maria T. <rnaria.dunn(@ncwildlife.org>; Luck, Cameron A <Cameron. Luck(@deQ. nc.gov>; 'Hair, Sarah E SAW'
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
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Kim, I would like to be there when you do your next site visit.
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
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5315 South College Rd, Suite E
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910.452.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
From: Harding, Kimberlee k<Kimberlee.Harding(@deq.nc.gov>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 10:37 AM
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Cc: Dunn, Maria T. <maria.dunn(@ncwiIdIife.ong>; Luck, Cameron A <Cameron, Luck(@deQ.nc.gov>; 'Hair, Sarah E SAW'
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Subject: Re: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Thank you that does help. I have not been able to explore the the area of the proposed boat lifts yet. However, at this point it is
established that the mud bank behind the existing dock is SAV habitat. No new dredge is allowed in SAV habitat. The area is also a
healthy shellfish habitat. We do not recommend dredging of this area based on the oysters that are visible. I did not check if there
are clams or mussels present, i suspect there may be. Oyster relocations are for maintenance dredge projects. If a shellfish
relocation is needed, that is a clear indication that dredging is not appropriate for the habitat.
I have not been able to assess the bottom habitat where the boat lifts are proposed so I am not sure how much, if any of that
footprint needs to be minimized. If it is the same mud bank, we will recommend no new dredge of that habitat. I am not
recommending the removal of the boat lifts at this point, another site visit us needed.
Kim
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Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 10:11:57 AM
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andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com <andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com>
Cc: Dunn, Maria T. <maria.dunn(@ncwildlife.org>; Luck, Cameron A <Carneron.Luck(@deq.nc.gov>; 'Hair, Sarah E SAW'
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
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This is the best I can do. Hope that helps.
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
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5315 South College Rd, Suite E
Wilmington, INC 28412
910.452.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
From: Harding, Kimberlee k <KimberIee.HardinR(@deq.nc.Rov>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 9:49 AM
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Cc: Dunn, Maria T. <maria.dunn(cDncwiIdIife.orR>; Luck, Cameron A <Cameron. Luck(@dea. nc.gov>; 'Hair, Sarah E SAW'
<Sarah. E. HairCcD usace.army. m il>
Subject: Re: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Thank you Dana. It be more helpful to see the existing and proposed on one figure.
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Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 9:42:43 AM
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andrew(cDhampsteadnchomes.com <andrew(@hampsteadnchomes.com>
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Thank you, Kim.
Here ya go.
Dana A. Lutheran
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Subject: Re: [External] RE: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Hi Dana.
I went to the site 1/24. 1 found 2 dormant eel grass rhizomes behind the floating dock. I have attached photos.
It would be very helpful for review if you included a diagram including the existing structure.
Thank you.
Kim
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Hello, Holley.
Hope all is well with you.
Your email is timely. I was working on modifying the site plan to reflect a reduction in the dredge footprint, as Kim
Harding recommended, when she and I discussed the project not too long ago.
That being said, the attached site plan shows the proposed dredge footprint has been adjusted to be at least 10'
waterward of the coastal wetland line and has eliminated dredging under the gazebo, as much as possible.
These efforts reduced the dredge footprint by approximately 450 square feet and the amount of material being
dredged by approximately 43.3 cubic yards.
There are a few oysters within the dredge footprint. They will be relocated prior to commencing with dredging. As

for SAV, I have been to the site many times over the past few years and at different times of the year and never
observed any SAV. I'd like to reach out to the DMF about this. Who made that site visit?
It is my hope that the changes to the proposed plan demonstrate the applicant's desire to avoid and minimize
impacts to aquatic resources. Should you still have concerns with it, please call me at 910.228.1841.
Many thanks,
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
Regulatory Specialist
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Southern Environmental Group, Inc
5315 South College Rd, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 28412
910.452.2711 Office
910.228.1841 Mobile (preferred)
From: Snider, Holley <hoIIe�,snider(@deQ.nc,gov>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:44 PM
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Subject: DWR Project 20071357v3 - Smith, 715 Hughes Road, Pender Co.
Good afternoon Dana,
DWR has reviewed the CAMA major permit application for the proposed expansion of an existing docking facility and dredge
footprint for Andrew Smith at 715 Hughes Road in Hampstead, Pender County. DWR has consulted with the Division of Marine
Fisheries (DMF) staff Kim Harding and Wildlife Resources Commission (WRC) staff Maria Dunn regarding the proposed development.
The waters of Mill Creek in this area are classified as SA;ORW by DWR. Please understand that the waters around your project area
have been identified as Permanent Secondary Nursery Area by DMF. DWR supports the concerns and recommendations from DMIF
and WIRC regarding new dredging within these designated areas. Requests to dredge within these areas must be consistent with
15A NCAC 02B .0220; 15A NCAC 02B .0222 which require that Surface water quality standards require that conditions of waters be
suitable for all best uses provided for in state rule (including, at minimum: aquatic life propagation, survival, maintenance of
biological integrity, and fishing, fish, and Primary Nursery Area(PNAs) wildlife; secondary contact recreation; and that activities must
not cause water pollution that precludes any best use on a short-term or long-term basis. DWR has additional questions regarding
avoidance and minimization of impacts to the designated permanent secondary nursery area, oyster shell resources and potential
submerged aquatic vegetation (SAV) habitat in the vicinity of the proposed expanded dredge footprint. In accordance with 15 A
NCAC 02H .0506 (b)(1) the DWR shall evaluate if the proposed activity: has avoided and minimized impacts to surface waters and
wetlands to ensure any remaining surface waters or wetlands, and any surface waters or wetlands downstream, continue to support
existing uses during and after project completion. The IDWIR is placing your application on hold until such time as the following
requested additional information has been provided to complete the review:
1. Avoidance and minimization- the impacts to the proposed dredge footprint can be significantly reduced. An overlay of the
existing authorized dredge footprint and the proposed dredge footprint need to be shown to demonstrate avoidance and
minimization. The expanded dredge footprint includes areas located under a fixed gazebo that do not support docking and
therefore can be avoided. DWR recommends a minimum of a 10-foot buffer from the waterward edge of wetlands to any
proposed dredge footprint to reduce the potential for sloughing of the soft mud bottom increasing the risk of erosion of the
marsh.
2. The proposed final dredge depth shall not exceed the connecting water depths approved for the maintenance of Mill Creek.
Please confirm the depths are consistent with approved depths for the channel of Mill Creek.
3. A low tide site visit was conducted by DMF on January 26, 2024 to examine the fisheries resources within the SNA waters of
Mill Creek. DMF observed shellfish resources and SAV rhizomes within the proposed expanded dredge footprint. Additional

investigations and documentation must be provided that demonstrates avoidance and minimization of impacts to these
resources as required by 15A NCAC 02B .0225 which states: no dredge or fill activities shall be allowed if those activities would
result in a reduction of the beds of "submerged aquatic vegetation habitat" or "shellfish producing habitat," defined in 15A
NCAC 031 .0101, and incorporated by reference including subsequent amendments and editions, except for maintenance
dredging, such as that required to maintain access to existing channels and facilities located within the designated areas, or
maintenance dredging for activities such as agriculture. Please contact Kim Harding at kim.harding(cDdeq.nc.Ro or 910-796-
7286 for assistance.
I hope this information is helpful and feel free to call or email me if you have any questions or need my assistance in any way.
Sincerely,
Holley Snider .. ....
Environmental Specialist 11
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Phone: [phone]
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