20140843 Ver 1_Summary of Jule Noland Meeting - ARO - August 6 2015_20150810

Strickland, Bev
From: Wanda Austin <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:36 PM
To: Price, Zan (George)
Cc: [e-mail]; Caroline -A -Contracting; [e-mail]; Davidson,
Landon; Higgins, Karen; Payne, John
Subject: Re: Summary of Jule Noland Meeting - ARO - August 6, 2015
Thank you for your response. Please provide to me and Mr. McClean the aforementioned letter from Mr.
Brown concerning the use of jurisdictional waters for BMP credit. We were unaware of this requirement. This
information does change the design of the plan and the approach I would have taken to accommodate the
stormwater of the site.
Thank you.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Price, Zan (George) <Zan.Price gncdenr.gov> wrote:
All,
See the summary below for the August 6, 2015 meeting at the Asheville Regional Office. We are happy to
meet with Ms. Austin and Mr. Jamison after they review the meeting summary to discuss what is needed for
the stormwater management plan at the Jule Noland site. As mentioned below, we recommend obtaining the
seasonally high water table elevations for the site at each of the four proposed stormwater measure
locations. This data is needed to determine which stormwater measures are appropriate for the site. An entire
site survey is not required to obtain the elevations for these four locations. Please also refer to previous
additional information letters when applicable to the proposed stormwater treatment approach.
Contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
Meeting Summary
Meeting held at Asheville Regional Office (ARO) to discuss the stormwater management plan (SMP) for the
Jule Noland site in Haywood County (DWR 414-0843).
Meeting started: 1:00 PM

In Attendance:
Zan Price, Landon Davidson, Tim Fox, and Kevin Barnett from DWR
Wes Jamison, PE — representing the applicant
Mr. Jamison stated that he was here at the request of Rusty McClean, the attorney representing the property
owner. Mr. Jamison had looked over the plans but had not seen any of the "additional information"
letters from DWR. He wasn't clear on his role with the project. He has not been asked to design any
stormwater measures for the project.
Zan Price stated that DWR had hoped that Ms. Austin would attend the meeting so we could have a back and
forth conversation to resolve any issues we have with the submitted SMP and additional information
responses. Additional information letters and the previous meeting in Winston-Salem have not been effective
at reaching the goal of getting an approvable SMP.
DWR made the following points:
• DWR needs a plan that provides 85% Total Suspended Solids (TSS) removal for the site since the
proposed development is a high density site.
Dry Detention basins only provide 50 % TSS removal and are inadequate measures for the site.
• DWR discussed the email they received from the Army Corps stating that their Regional Conditions do
not allow jurisdictional wetlands to be used for stormwater treatment. Additionally, discharging under treated
stormwater to a wetland could result in a wetland standard violation from DWR.
• Use the Stormwater BMP manual to determine the appropriate structural stormwater controls (BMPs) for
the site. Make sure to follow all of the required major design elements of the manual.
• The applicant has not provided any seasonally high water table (SHWT) data. The Altamont report they
reference provides an estimate of the groundwater depth based on the conditions observed on one day. These
depths were not surveyed and they do not represent the actual SHWT. The WL -2 data point from the Altamont
report is located adjacent to the 2580' contour line (Figure 3). According to the report, the water table was
observed 10" below ground surface on 2/5/14. Therefore, the estimated water table elevation on that day
would be approximately 2579.2', which is above the proposed bottom of the two bioretention
cells. Bioretention cells must be at least 2 -feet above the SHWT.
• DWR advised Mr. Jamison to determine the elevation of the SHWT at the proposed basin locations to
inform the selection of the appropriate BMPs.
• DWR asked Mr. Jamison if any of these requests appeared unreasonable. He stated that he understood
that these were the requirements to get an approved SMP.

• Mr. Jamison is an engineer for the NC DOT and has experience with erosion and sediment control
measures.
Meeting adjourned: 1:25 PM
Zan Price, P.E.
NCDENR - Division of Water Resources
Water Quality Regional Operations Section
Assistant Regional Supervisor - Asheville Regional Office
2090 U.S. Hwy. 70
Swannanoa, N.C. 28778
ph.: 828-296-4500
fax: [phone]
email: zan.price o,ncdenr.gov
website: www.ncwaterquality.org
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