20130223_Back fill_20151026

Wanucha, Dave
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Monday, October 26, 2015 3:25 PM
Wilson, Travis W.
Bailey, David E SAW; Lauffer, Matthew S; Wanucha, Dave; Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J;
James Byrd
Re: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert - Back Fil) (UNCLASSIFIED)
I agree with what Travis said for these extremely long culverts.
Gary Jordan
Fish and Wildlife Biologist
Liaison to NCDOT
US Fish and Wildlife Service
P.O. Box 33726
Raleigh, NC 27636-3726
Phone: [phone] x.32
Email: gary iordan o,fws.gov
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Wilson, Travis W. <travis.wilson(a�ncwildlife.org> wrote:
Aquatic passage in culverts of this length is for the most part a non-issue, you're just not going to get upstream
movement. Therefore backfilling a long culvert for the entire length is not necessary in order to provide
substrate and bed form in the structure. However, when culverts are buried it is necessary to place an upstream
sill in order to assure the installation of that culvert does not form a head cut. When that sill is installed if the
structure is not backfilled behind the sill you may create a perch on the inlet side of the culvert. Being perched
would depend on water depth and the invert of culvert, but for long culverts I would assume it will would be
perched . A perch is not preferred simply because anything that goes over that lip, fish or wildlife, can't get
back out and may or may not make it through to the other side. With that being the case we should consider
placing some backfill behind the sill inside the culvert for "X" distance. Maybe 50-100 feet to step it
down. You would likely have to place a couple of notched sills or lower sills to hold that material in place.
Considering a long culvert scenario there may not be a lot of difference in burying the culvert versus not.
Upstream movement is not reasonable, however you don't want to create a downstream sink where once
something goes over it can't come back out. Is non-burial just as stable as burial, from what I've seen that
depends more on hitting the correct elevations during installation. But I certainly don't want to devalue culvert
burial, in almost all culvert designs it is absolutely beneficial.
Travis
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:45 AM

To: Lauffer, Matthew S; Wanucha, Dave; Wilson, Travis W.; Gary Jordan
Cc: Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J; James Byrd
Subject: RE: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert - Back Fill (LTNCLASSIFIED)
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Matt,
Thanks for your email. For the Corps' purposes, the 1' burial of culverts >48" in diameter is intended to 1)
prevent destabilization of the stream up and downstream of the structure and 2) allow for aquatic life
passage. As for # l, we would expect that the culvert would be buried 1' unless there is reason to suspect that
burial would result in stream destabilization (and if so, that it could not be prevented by cross veins or other
natural channel design-type structures around the culvert inlet and/or outlet). Regarding # 2, and specifically
backfilling, the Corps will defer to the experience of the NCWRC and USFWS. Please let me know if you
have any questions.
-Dave Bailey
David E. Bailey, PWS
Regulatory Project Manager
US Army Corps of Engineers
CE-SAW-RG-R
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Wake Forest, North Carolina 27587
Phone: [phone], Ext. 30.
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From: Lauffer, Matthew S [mailto:mslauffer(a�ncdot.gov]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Wanucha, Dave; Bailey, David E SAW; Wilson, Travis W.; Gary Jordan
Cc: Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J; James Byrd
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert - Back Fill
Gentleman
After some on-going discussions with some of you, I would like to gather input on the need to backfill culverts
for the U-2524D project.

There are some long culverts on this project as identified below and shown on the attachment. None of the
culverts have high flow barrels. Would you all be willing to comment on the benefit of burying these culverts
a foot and backfilling with stream-bed material?
We are mostly wanting to know the following:
Do you see a value in burying the culverts if they are over 1,000 feet in length?
2. If we do bury them would you want them backfilled?
The location of the culverts is near in Greensboro at the intersection of Lawndale and the proposed Greensboro
outerloop.
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Thanks forward for your input. If you believe it would be beneficial to setup a meeting to discuss, we can do
that as well. Let me know if additional documentation would be helpful for consideration purposes.
Regards,
Matt
Culvert ID
Length (Feet)
Size
Slope
Burial

Sills
Baffles
Approximate Width of Stream
Drainage Area (Square Miles)
Drainage Area
Acres
% Impervious
Watershed Type
Notes
Culvert 1
1430
8' X 8'
1.04%
1'
Yes
No
5-6 '
0.15
98
31%
Urban
Connects with 2A
Culvert 2A
363
4

11'X9'
1.86%
1'
Yes
Yes (25 foot Centers)
Confluence of two streams - 4-5' and 5-6'
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243
32%
Urban
Connects with 1 and 2B
Culvert 2B
712
11'X9'
0.50%
1'
Yes
No
Confluence of two streams - 4-5' and 5-6'
1 •
243
32%

Urban
Connects with 2A
Culvert 3
1214
11'X9'
0.59%
1'
Yes
No
10'
1.12
716
13.10%
Urban
Culvert 4
335
7'X8'
2.07%
1'
Yes
Yes (20 foot Centers)
6-7'
0.22
140
6

27.30%
Urban
Backfill
Matthew (Matt) Lauffer, PE, CPM
Asst. State Hydraulics Engineer
Central Region, Divisions 5,7,8,9
Highway Stormwater Program
Hydraulics Unit
North Carolina Department of Transportation
Phone: [phone]
Cell: 919-621-0443
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Raleigh, NC 27610
From: Lauffer, Matthew S
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 10:31 AM
To: 'dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov'
Cc: Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J; David.E.Bailey�usace.army.mil
<mailto:David.E.Bailey�usace.army.mil> ; James Byrd
Subject: RE: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert Summary (LTNCLASSIFIED)
Dave,
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Hope you enjoyed your weekend. These culverts will be single barreled culverts and will not have high and
low flow barrels. Stabilization of the culvert entrance and exit will be part of the design. I have attached a
plan view layout of the culvert configuration for the Lawndale interchange. The plan is to backfill the culverts
with alluvial sediments that are obtained during the excavation of the proposed culverts.
I am checking on the permit modification submittal date and will send that as soon as I know.
Please let me know if you have additional questions.
Regards,
Matt
Matthew (Matt) Lauffer, PE, CPM
Asst. State Hydraulics Engineer
Central Region, Divisions 5,7,8,9
Highway Stormwater Program
Hydraulics Unit
North Carolina Department of Transportation
Phone: [phone]
Cell: 919-621-0443
Fax: [phone]
Email: mslauffer(a�ncdot.gov <mailto:mslauffer(a�ncdot.gov>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 8:56 AM
To: Wanucha, Dave; Lauffer, Matthew S
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Subject: RE: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert Summary (LTNCLASSIFIED)
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Hi all. No additional comments at this time. Thanks for the coordination.
-Dave Bailey
David E. Bailey, PWS
Regulatory Project Manager
US Army Corps of Engineers
CE-SAW-RG-R
3331 Heritage Trade Drive, Suite 105
Wake Forest, North Carolina 27587
Phone: [phone], Ext. 30.
Fax: [phone]
Email: David.E.Bailey�usace.army.mil
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From: Wanucha, Dave [mailto:dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov <mailto:dave.wanucha(a�ncdenr.gov> ]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 8:38 AM
To: Lauffer, Matthew S
Cc: Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J; Bailey, David E SAW
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert Summary
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Hi Matt,
Thanks for sending the data. The proposed sills and baffles appear to be consistent with DOT's guidance on
the subject. Will these culverts possess high flow barrels and flood plain benches, and if so, what type of
material will be used for backfill (if they are planned to be backfilled)?
Do you have a time estimate for when a permit modification will be submitted for the D section?
I have copied Dave Bailey with the Corps for his review and comments.
Dave B.,
These are the culvert data of which we spoke yesterday.
Dave W.
Dave Wanucha
NC DENR Winston Salem Region Office
NC Division of Water Resources
Transportation Permitting Unit
450 W. Hanes Mill Rd, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105
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From: Lauffer, Matthew S
Sent: Tuesday, September Ol, 2015 4:10 PM
To: Wanucha, Dave
Cc: Elam, William H; Lee, Craig J; Lauffer, Matthew S
Subject: U-2524D - Greensboro Outerloop Culvert Summary
Importance: High
Hi Dave,
Per our phone conversation a couple weeks ago, I wanted to let you know what we were going to recommend
for the culverts on U-2524D near Lawndale with respect to sills and baffles.
The following is a summary of the structures and proposed configurations:
Culvert ID
Length (Feet)
Size
Slope
Burial
Sills
Baffles
Approximate Width of Stream
Drainage Area (Square Miles)
% Impervious
Watershed Type
Notes
Approximate Location of Inlet
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Approximate Location of Outlet
Culvert 1
1430
8' X 8'
1.04%
1'
Yes
No
5-6 '
0.15
31%
Urban
Connects with 2A
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363
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1'
Yes
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Culvert 2B
712
11'X9'
0.50%
1'
Yes
No
Confluence of two streams - 4-5' and 5-6'
0.38
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1214
11'X9'
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1'
Yes
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10'
1.12
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335
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1'
Yes
Yes (20 foot Centers)
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0.22
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You will notice that the lengths of the culverts are long and that sills are used on all culverts and all culverts
will be buried a foot. Baffles will be placed on Culvert 2A and Culvert 4 where slopes are near 2%. Baffles
will be placed across the entire box with no additional reduction in stream width. Stream pictures are below
for reference.
Please let me know if you concur with the proposal or would like to discuss further. My phone number is
below.
Regards,
Matt
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Matthew (Matt) Lauffer, PE, CPM
Asst. State Hydraulics Engineer
Central Region, Divisions 5,7,8,9
Highway Stormwater Program
Hydraulics Unit
North Carolina Department of Transportation
Phone: [phone]
Cell: 919-621-0443
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Email: mslauffer(a�ncdot.gov <mailto:mslauffer(a�ncdot.gov>
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