FW_ _External_ SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT_U-5711_SR1712 (Pineview Street)_Division8)

Carpenter, Kristi
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Art C. King
Division Environmental Supervisor
NCDOT Highway Division 8
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910 690-6581 cell
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121 Dot Drive
Carthage, NC 28327
King, Art C
Thursday, February 22, 2024 9:20 AM
Brumagin, Stephen A (Steve) CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)
Conchilla, Ryan
FW: [External] SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-571 1/SR1 712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
U-5711_hyd_ec_construction sequence.pdf
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Sorry for the delay, I did receive some comments from our Hydraulic firm:
There was a question about what permit package the core received as the permit package available on the NCDOT
Connect site (dated 20190523) shows all of what the reviewer has commented on and is asking to show.
https://connect.ncdot.gov/site/Preconstruction/division/div08/U-
5711/ layouts/15/DocldRed ir.aspx?ID=7DCQHCPWEPMV-1357394009-11
Hydro responses are in RED.
First, I need to know the dimensions of the existing culverts at Sites #1 & #3, specifically, total culvert lengths. Site 1-
36"RCP length= 48'; Site 2- 3@103"x71" CMAP length= 60'. 1 cannot tell from the permit drawings if the impact totals

provided on the Impact Summary Sheet include the total length of impacts in the jurisdictional waters from the project
with consideration (subtraction) of the lengths of the existing culverts or not. This is important because the NWP
authorization would be for impacts to jurisdictional waters beyond the existing structures and likewise the mitigation
required for your project should include the impacted jurisdictional features beyond the existing structure. Existing
transportation facilities (ETF) was not in included in the impacts. Impacts only include those areas beyond the existing
structures. (See snips below for clarification). In addition, the site plans indicate at Site #3 that the project will include
35 linear feet (inlet end) and 40 linear feet (outlet end) of channel improvement. I cannot tell from the application or
drawings what the channel improvement will include. Is this channel realignment, sediment removal, bank stabilization,
channel armor, etc.? If this channel improvement will include relocation, excavation/fill and/or placement of rock in the
channel, these activities should be specified, and the permit plans should include a typical or actual cross -sectional view
of what these improvements will be. Yes, Channel improvements include all of what is mentioned and shown in the
cross-section detail at the bottom of PSH 6 (cross section from plans shown below). The project Plans provided to the
Corps should clearly show both the existing and proposed structures with call outs for impact areas and the
activities/structures that are impacting these waters. The provided drawings are a bit busy and do not clearly show/call
out the impacts. Channel improvements description and cross -sectional view is shown at the bottom of the permit PSH 6
and a zoomed in view of the sites are shown on PSH 6A. Finally, once it is determined/quantified what impacts to
jurisdictional waters this project will have, NCDOT should propose mitigation for the waters that will be lost from the
impacts.
Below is channel improvements cross-section shown on PSH 6.
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Downstream:
Kyle Stoffer with HDR produced the permit package and assure us the permit was developed following what you have
described above. He reviewed the crossings again and was confident the permit accurately reflects and shows most of
the comments. If the core would like to discuss anything further, please feel free to reach out to Kyle Stoffer
[[e-mail] - 910-398-9024].

Al

Paddy Jordan
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From: Stroder, Jeffrey A <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 9:36 AM
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Cc: Teague, Jeff L <[e-mail]>; King, Art C <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] FW: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Paddy,
Just checking back on this... Can you provide the information needed for the permit drawings?
Thanks,
Jeff
Jeffrey A. Stroder, PE
Division Project Engineer
Project Development Unit
Division of Highways, Division 8
North Carolina Department of Transportation
910 773-8000 office
910 773-8024 direct
910 947-3873 fax
0stroder ncdot.gov
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Carthage, NC 28327
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From: Stroder, Jeffrey A
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2024 8:54 AM
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Subject: RE: [External] FW: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Paddy,
I spoke to you on the phone about this yesterday but see Art's message below. Can you provide what he needs for the
permit drawings?
Thanks,
Jeff

Jeffrey A. Stroder, PE
Division Project Engineer
Project Development Unit
Division of Highways, Division 8
North Carolina Department of Transportation
910 773-8000 office
910 773-8024 direct
910 947-3873 fax
istroderancdot.aov
121 DOT Drive
Carthage, NC 28327
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From: King, Art C <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FW: [External] FW: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Jeffrey,
Please see the email below from Steve Brumagin.
I have spoken to Steve, and he said that he needed clarification on several issues concerning the permit drawings and
the listed impacts. His email lays out specifically what he will need in order to complete his review of the permit
application.
Steve has indicated that once he gets the information he needs, he will process and issue the permit as soon as possible.
Art C. King
Division Environmental Supervisor
NCDOT Highway Division 8
910 621-6100 office
910 690-6581 cell
acking ncdot.gov
121 Dot Drive
Carthage, NC 28327

From: Brumagin, Stephen A (Steve) CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 2:09 PM
To: King, Art C <[e-mail]>
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Art,
As a follow up to our conversation today I wanted to send you an e-mail and briefly outline the information that I need
for the permit application for NCDOT U-5711, Pineview Street in Randolph County.
First, I need to know the dimensions of the existing culverts at Sites #1 & #3, specifically, total culvert lengths. I cannot
tell from the permit drawings if the impact totals provided on the Impact Summary Sheet include the total length of
impacts in the jurisdictional waters from the project with consideration (subtraction) of the lengths of the existing
culverts or not. This is important because the NWP authorization would be for impacts to jurisdictional waters beyond
the existing structures and likewise the mitigation required for your project should include the impacted jurisdictional
features beyond the existing structure. In addition, the site plans indicate at Site #3 that the project will include 35
linear feet (inlet end) and 40 linear feet (outlet end) of channel improvement. I cannot tell from the application or
drawings what the channel improvement will include. Is this channel realignment, sediment removal, bank stabilization,
channel armor, etc.? If this channel improvement will include relocation, excavation/fill and/or placement of rock in the
channel, these activities should be specified, and the permit plans should include a typical or actual cross -sectional view
of what these improvements will be. The project Plans provided to the Corps should clearly show both the existing and
proposed structures with call outs for impact areas and the activities/structures that are impacting these waters. The
provided drawings are a bit busy and do not clearly show/call out the impacts. Finally, once it is determined/quantified
what impacts to jurisdictional waters this project will have, NCDOT should propose mitigation for the waters that will be
lost from the impacts.
Also, since the application included a mussel survey dated November 2023 that recommended a may affect but not
likely to adversely affect the Atlantic Pigtoe, I will need to coordinate/consult with USFWS to ask for their concurrence
on this determination. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.
Stephen A. Brumagin
NCDOT Project Manager
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers,
Charlotte Field Office, Wilmington District
Work cell 704 798-6471
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 3:03 PM
To: Alsmeyer, Eric C CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>; NCDOT _REG
<NCDOT [e-mail]>; Brumagin, Stephen A (Steve) CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)
<[e-mail]>
Cc: Matthews, Monte K CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Oops, sorry.
Steve, I'll forward the docs to your folder.

Thanks,
Jho
From: Alsmeyer, Eric C CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)<[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 2:53 PM
To: NCDOT_REG <NCDOT [e-mail]>; Brumagin, Stephen A (Steve) CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)
<[e-mail]>
Cc: Matthews, Monte K CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Jho: This should have gone to Steve B.
Thanks!
Eric
Work Cell: 919.817.1570
In Office: Most Thursdays
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 2:06 PM
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<Monte. K. Matthews@ usace.a rmy. mi 1>
Subject: SAW-2017-01947 (NCDOT/U-5711/SR1712 (Pineview Street)/Division8)
Good afternoon,
We have received your Pre -Construction Notification (PCN) NWP request for the above project and forwarded
it to Eric Alsmeyer for further processing.
Thank you,
Josephine Schaffer
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 11:56 AM
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] PCN - Randolph - DOT
A new project has been received on 1/29/2024 11:54 AM for U-5711 (Pineview St.). The link below will take you to the
project folder.
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