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From: Tankard, Robert
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:46 PM
To: Scarbraugh, Anthony
Subject: FW: CAMA Major Letter Carawan Marina
Attachments: October 1, 2015 Quible Letter- Carawan Marina CAMA Major 20-15.pdf
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Robert Tankard
Assistant Regional Supervisor
Division of Water Resources
Water Quality Regional Operations Section
943 Washington Square Mall
Washington, NC 27889
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From: Hart, Kevin
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:33 PM
To: Brian Rubino <[e-mail]>, Spears, Courtney <[e-mail]>, Huggett, Doug
<[e-mail]>, Scheller, Roberto <roberto.scheIle [e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Cc: [e-mail], May, David <[e-mail]>, Tankard, Robert <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: CAMA Major Letter Carawan Marina
Brian,
I just wanted to let you know that Roberto is no longer working with DWR out of the Washington office. I've cc'ed his
former supervisors, David May and Robert Tankard, on this email so you would have the correct contact information for
them. As far as I understand there is no active application with DWR so you will need to be in contact with them
regarding that application.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Kevin
Kevin Hart
North Carolina Division of Coastal Management
943 Washington Square Mall
Washington, NC 27889
252-948-3936
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From: Brian Rubino [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 1:48 PM
To: Hart, Kevin <kevin.hart(a�ncdenr.Fov>, Spears, Courtney <[e-mail]>, Huggett, Doug
<dou_g.huggett@ncdenr.p,ov>, Scheller, Roberto <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
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Subject: CAMA Major Letter Carawan Marina
Kevin, Courtney and All,
Please see attached letter related Mr. Carawan's jetty project. This is not a request to take the permit off -hold yet, but
more of a request for further consideration before resuming the review.
Thanks,
Brian
Brian D. Rubino, P.G.
Vice President
Quible & Associates, P.C.
8466 Caratoke Highway, Bldg 400
Powells Point, NC 27966
P.O. Drawer 870
Kitty Hawk, NC 27949
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TO: Kevin Hart, NCDCM
Courtney Spears, NCDCM
Doug Huggett, NCDCM
Roberto Scheller, NCDWR
Raleigh Bland, USACE
CC: Phillip Carawan, Owner
FROM: Brian Rubino, Quible & Associates, P.C. fW�4c�
RE: Carawan Marina, CAMA Major 20 -15 Modification Request
DATE: October 1, 2015
P.O. Drawer 870
Krfty Hawk NC 27949
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The purpose of this letter is to provide an additional discussion related to the justification for the
width of the jetty system at Carawan Marina which received a "Return of Application" from
NCDWR and is therefore "On- Hold" by NCDCM.
The following was requested as a modification to CAMA Major Permit 20 -15:
A. Widening of the permitted jetties from an average of 20 ft wide (ranging from 15 -26 ft) to
an average of 30 ft wide (20 -40 ft). The purpose of this is to build a jetty system that can
be maintained and repaired regularly, at any time necessary. It is extremely important to
have a stable jetty system at all times, given the daily use of this marina as a commercial
fishing operation. This area of the Albemarle commonly has extremely rough water
conditions that are difficult to navigate. Maintenance will occur by traversing the jetty
system with an excavator or other equipment. And, if a large storm event causes rock to
enter the channel, it would be detrimental to the large boats that need this port. Being
able to walk out on the jetties with mechanical equipment will enable maintenance and
repair as needed. This is very important for a commercial operation of this nature. This
is similar to the existing permitted jetty system on the west side of the Alligator River
bridge which is used and maintained for recreational vessels.
B. Section 404 Wetland fill (5,321 sq.ft.) to access the western jetty. This proposed fill
would allow access to the jetty for construction and maintenance. Without this area of
impacts, land -based access to the jetty would have to include matting through a Section
404 area. This area would include sand fill with a gravel or shell surface.
Based on my discussions with NCDCM and NCDWR, it is my understanding that the width of
the jetty (Item A.) above is what is not supported by regulatory officials. Please note that the

item A jetty widths are similar, but not exceeding widths of the jetty system located adjacent to
the north side of the Alligator River bridge. That is a jetty system that Mr. Carawan would like to
replicate in terms of construction, width and maintenance, especially after large storm events.
The proposed jetty width would allow an excavator and other equipment to walk out on the top
to construct, repair and add rock as needed. It is our firm belief that a commercial fishing
operation marina should be afforded the same opportunity for repair as a recreational vessel
marina (such as the one adjacent to the Alligator River Bridge). However, based on discussion
with NCDCM, the Alligator River jetties may not have been permitted to the width currently built
to, and the "need" after original construction may have prompted refinements to allow the wider
construction. Rather than refine or modify this permit at a later date, we feel that permitting the
currently proposed jetties at this time is the most efficient approach (in terms of initial
construction and any periodic maintenance).
Please understand that this is an important commercial marina and the jetties and channel must
be maintained as such. This marina has become critical to this Tier 3 County and is a critical
lifeline to this area. As we mentioned in the project narrative, there are extensive primary and
secondary economic implications to this area that has nearly no other significant private
industry. In the event of a hurricane, it is of utmost importance that business returns to normal
as expeditiously as possible, and this include channel and jetty maintenance. Having to hire a
marine barge contractor is not practical for those situations (due to time lost).
Please consider this information prior to a final CAMA Major decision. We believe that
precedent has been set for increased jetty widths in a nearby setting and there is a clear need.
I appreciate any input you may have. In the event that a wider jetty system cannot be supported
at this time, Mr. Carawan would like to continue to pursue that option through additional
meetings and possible variance processes. But, please contact me to discuss first, since my
likely recommendation to Mr. Carawan would be to request that Item B. above (access fill) be
sought while separately working on the width issues.
Thank You.
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