SW3230603_email_20231215

Holland, Brianna
From: Jennifer Edwards <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 12:05 PM
To: Holland, Brianna
Cc: Justin Church
Subject: Re: [External] Fwd: Stormwater Supplemental Upload Received
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Documents have been uploaded.
Jennifer Edwards
Senior Civil Designer
BREC , PA
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
336.844.4088 (p)
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On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 11:47 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Last uploads were in August.
Thanks!
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I was thinking we had uploaded those items but if not Jennifer can do it today.
Thanks.
/j c
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Principal Engineer
BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 11:30 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Justin,
If I recall correctly, the only things that needed to be updated were the Supplement-EZ and calculations. If you upload
them to the electronic repository, I'll make sure that they're correct, the repository is complete, and issue the permit
on Monday.
Electronic copies of the files should be uploaded at the following location:
https://edocs.deg.nc.gov/Forms/SW-Supplemental-Upload
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To view the electronic repository, please see the following link:
https://edocs.deg.nc.gov/WaterResources/Browse.aspx?id=494276&dbid=0&repo=WaterResources
Thanks!
Brianna Holland
Environmental Engineer
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail] (email preferred)
Mailing address: 1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
Physical address: 512 North Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 4:16 PM
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Thank you for the clarification. Revision attached.
Thanks.
/j c
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Principal Engineer
BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 2:57 PM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
No problem,
For this one, you can leave most of the low density page blank or N/A, so 4-11 can be filled out as N/A or left. 12 and
13 are required to be answered as "yes" (and is the case for this project). 14 is "no", and 15 can be blank or you can
use it to explain that the BUA in this area is just the driveway stem.
Thanks,
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent:Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:43 PM
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Good evening, Brianna. I'm attaching the updated supplement form. I was able to complete the DA tab, but I got
stuck after#3 on the Low Density tab since the only BUA associated with the low density portion of the project is the
driveway stem.
Can you guide me on how to complete the LID tab?
Thanks.
/j c
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Justin Church, PE
Principal Engineer
BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 8:09 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Justin,
The calcs and supplement are the only outstanding items, you're correct.
Here are the edits you'll need to make on the Supplement-EZ form:
On the Supplement-EZ Cover Page Line 5 select"Both high and low density' (you'll then click"Load
Supplement Forms" at the top of the page to generate the pages).
On the Drainage Areas Page Line 3 select"yes", then select 1 for line 4. Click"load forms" and this will
generate an LD 1 column. Basically you just put the leftover project area that isn't draining to the SCM here.
Fill out the low density page as usual.
If you send it to me today, I will be able to look over it this afternoon after 4.
Thanks!
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Environmental Engineer
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 1:48 PM
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Good afternoon, Brianna. I have updated Section 2.6 in the attached report to account for the volume loss due to
the stone weir dividing the chambers. The only other outstanding comment I'm aware of relates to the mixed
density, and I will need some guidance on what changes are needed on the supplement form to capture
that. Neither of these items are creating any plan changes, so the updated calcs package I'm attaching and the
pending updated supplement form are the only revisions needed if I'm understanding correctly.
Thanks.
/j c
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BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
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Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 10:43 AM Justin Church <[e-mail]>wrote:
We will get you something on Monday. Anything you can do to review in down time next week would be greatly
appreciated. Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving.
/j c
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Justin Church, PE
Principal Engineer
BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 10:29 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Justin,
I talked to Jim and the 11/17 email can count as the comment, which means that it retroactively will start the
clock. So, as long as you get me something after Thanksgiving, I can do a quick review when I have availability. I
will be off Monday/Tuesday of next week, and at a conference the remainder of the week, but I will be able to do
a quick review within a couple of weeks after that as long as everything is in order. (Or potentially next week if
you submit by then and I have downtime at the conference. It's local so I can swing by the office to check the hard
copies). It seems like everything is resolved, so I'm assuming I can just look over what you send and process the
permit once the hard copies are received and the electronic copies are uploaded.
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Brianna Holland
Environmental Engineer
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail] (email preferred)
Mailing address: 1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
Physical address: 512 North Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent:Wednesday, November 22, 2023 10:20 AM
To: Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>
Cc:Jennifer Edwards<[e-mail]>
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Thanks Brianna. I think we have everything addressed except the slight volume reduction from the stone. I'm out
of the office today for the thanksgiving holiday, but I know you said you needed to take action by today. Does
that mean that our 90 day clock is going to start again? Is there any possible workaround? The store is almost
complete and an additional 90 days will likely create issues with receiving the certificate of occupancy.
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 10:13 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Just so the in line responses don't get confusing, I'm going to summarize the outstanding item.
I'm not sure I understand. We place the stone weir such that it divides the available space into equal sized
chambers to meet MDC requirements which is why it may appear that we are simply taking the total area and
dividing in half. This comment would make more sense to me if we had an earthen dam or some other hard
barrier separating the chambers, but with the stone weir, the entire basin is graded and then the stone is placed,
so there's technically no break in the contours between the chambers. We will provide an update to account for
the loss of volume created by the stone (which will be equally distributed between the two chambers), but I
don't see what we would do differently other than that. Does that make sense? Let me know if we need to
discuss further or if I'm not understanding your intent.
For context, the stage storage tables are used to verify at what elevations the minimum required treatment
volume and design volume are met, as well as the respective volumes that can be stored within the sediment
chamber and sand chamber.The tables are used to verify that the volumes contained in each chamber are
approximately equal, with at least half of the required volume going to each chamber, but the sediment chamber
can be oversized.
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Based on your response, as long as the stage storage table you provided actually reflects the volumes contained
within each chamber(and isn't just design volume/2), it's fine to show it the way that you did.
Thanks!
From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 5:56 PM
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inline again, haha...
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:44 PM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2023 11:31 AM
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On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 10:51 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Justin,
I just wanted to reach out to see if I could get things resolved without having to issue more "official"
comments and thereby resetting the review clock. (I will need to have issued comments or the permit by
11/22/23 though, so I will issue an official set of comments if these aren't addressed by then.)
The first thing that needs clarification is related to the volumes of the sand sediment chamber and sand
chamber.
Sediment chamber:
805 is the top of sediment storage of the sediment chamber(bottom of sediment chamber/Stage 0) per cross-
section detail. I measured out an area of approx. 1150 SF which is smaller than the listed 1270 SF.
It appears that you are measuring to the toe of the rock weir that separates the two chambers rather than to
the center of the weir as we measure. Given that the rock dam is porous, we have always measured to the
center to differentiate between the two chambers. If you measure like this, then the 805 contour is 1,270 sq. ft.
I discussed this with Jim, and if the rock weir is used in the sizing calculations, the volume of stones should be
accounted for in the calculations as this slightly reduces the volume.
I'm happy to do this, but just want to reiterate that we've never been asked to do this by NCDEQ in the past
given that the volume reduction created by the stone is minor, so this will probably generate a similar comment
on any of our other projects currently in your queue.
The 806 contour was measured at approximately 1570 SF. Can you provide a stage storage table to verify that
at the 806.1 elevation the volume is 1632 CIF (per the Supplement-EZ)?
Elevation Area Stage Volume E
(ft) (sf) (ft) W) Volume
(cf)
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805.00 1,270 0.00 0 0
�806.00 1,570 1.00 1,420 1,420
Elevation (ft) Stage (ft) Area (sq ft) Vtot(cu ft) Vs (cu ft) Vf(cu ft)
805 0 2539 0 0 0
806 1 3316 2928 1464 1464
806.1 1.1 3396 3263 1632 1532
807 2 4139 6654 3327 3327
808 3 5018 11232 5616 5516
808 3 5018 11232 5616 5616
Ensure that the volumes are based on the provided contours for the sediment and sand chambers
respectively, and not the total area divided in half.
I'm not sure I understand. We place the stone weir such that it divides the available space into equal sized
chambers to meet MDC requirements which is why it may appear that we are simply taking the total area and
dividing in half. This comment would make more sense to me if we had an earthen dam or some other hard
barrier separating the chambers, but with the stone weir, the entire basin is graded and then the stone is placed,
so there's technically no break in the contours between the chambers. We will provide an update to account for
the loss of volume created by the stone (which will be equally distributed between the two chambers), but I
don't see what we would do differently other than that. Does that make sense? Let me know if we need to
discuss further or if I'm not understanding your intent.
r the Supplement-EZ, there is a permanent pool in the sediment chamber. Per the manual (Sand Filter MDC 2), "If
the sediment chamber has a permanent pool, then the volume contained by the permanent pool shall not be
considered to be storage volume."When there is a permanent pool, the ponding depth in the sediment chamber
is the distance from the permanent pool surface elevation to the invert of the bypass device. However, I don't
see anything in the design that creates a permanent pool. When there is no permanent pool, this is the distance
from the bottom of the sand filter to the bypass elevation (in inches). It looks like the intent was not to have a
permanent pool, and if this is the case,just revise the Supplement-EZ. If a permanent pool was intended, revise
the calculations and clarify what is setting the permanent pool and the elevation.
The sediment chamber has a 1 ft. depression to aid in sediment storage/maintenance. The bottom is 804 rather
than the 805 of the sand chamber; however, the volume between 804 and 805 was not counted in any of our
calculations. This can be seen in both our grading plan and the cross section.
This is resolves this comment.
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Sand chamber:
The area of the top of the sand layer of the sand chamber was measured to be approximately 639 SF.The
volume that can be retained by the sand chamber is the volume that can be stored above the top of the
sand layer in the sand chamber and below the invert of the lowest bypass.The lowest bypass appears to be
the rim elevation of the outlet structure (806.25). Can you provide a stage storage table to verify that at the
806.25 elevation the volume is 1632 CIF (per the Supplement-EZ)?
It appears that you are only considering volume directly above the sand media rather than the additional
volume in the sand chamber. It's not practical for the sand media to occupy the entire sand chamber area, so
there is additional storage in the sand chamber beyond that directly above the media. The true area of the 805
contour in the sand chamber is 1270 sq. ft. when measured as I described above. The lowest bypass is the rim
of the outlet structure which is 806.10(not sure where 806.25 is coming from)which yields the volume shown
in the stage storage table above. Maybe confirm the date of the plans you are looking at? Again, this has been
our method of calculation for every state stormwater approval we have ever received.
I was looking at the 7/5/23 plans, this resolves the rim elevation issue.
Elevation(ft) Area(sf) Stage(ft) Volum(cf) e E Volume(cf)
805.00 639 0.00 0 0
806.00 1,642 1.00 1,141 1,141
Lastly, I checked in with Jim Farkas about providing a variance for the project, and he said that because of the
size of the BUA, we could not provide one, but said that we would just need to revise the Supplement-EZ to
permit the driveway and the non-impervious areas that aren't directed to the SCM as a "low-density" area. No
design changes would need to be made in order to permit it this way. I can coordinate with you on any
questions you have on how to fill out the Supplement-H.
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That sounds fine to me. I was just working off previous guidance for a similar situation, but either way is good.
Mixed density is relatively new, so that makes sense.
Feel free to reach out for any questions/coordination. Due to the volume of permits that I have to permit
within the next couple of weeks, I am much more available via email than the phone.
Thanks,
Brianna Holland
Environmental Engineer
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail] (email preferred)
Mailing address: 1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
Physical address: 512 North Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent:Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:14 AM
To: Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>
Cc: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>;Jennifer Edwards<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [External] Fwd: Stormwater Supplemental Upload Received
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Thank you. Fingers crossed...
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1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 10:13 AM Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>wrote:
Good morning,
The project will be reviewed after I finish the review I am currently working on. Comments or the permit will
be sent out by 11/22/23.
Thanks!
Brianna Holland
Environmental Engineer
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail] (email preferred)
Mailing address: 1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
Physical address: 512 North Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent:Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:02 AM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Cc:Jennifer Edwards<[e-mail]>; Holland, Brianna <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [External] Fwd: Stormwater Supplemental Upload Received
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Thanks. Brianna, do you have a status update?
Thanks.
/j c
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Justin Church, PE
Principal Engineer
BREC, P.A.
1520 Meadowview Drive
Wilkesboro, NC 28697
(o) 336.844.4088
(c) 828.773.6543
http://brec.biz
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 9:58 AM Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>wrote:
Good morning,
You will need to check in with the Post-Construction permit reviewer in our office.The project has been
assigned to Brianna Holland in our group.
Best regards,
Bethany Georgoulias (she/her)
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From:Justin Church <[e-mail]>
Sent:Wednesday, November 15, 2023 9:55 AM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Cc:Jennifer Edwards<[e-mail]>
Subject: [External] Fwd: Stormwater Supplemental Upload Received
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Good morning, Bethany. Can you please update me on where this project is in your queue?
Thanks.
/j c
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