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Baker, Caroline D
From: Baker, Cameron J. <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 1:30 PM
To: Thomas, Zachary T
Cc: Becker, Jonathan W.; Talma, Kobi; US - 31405543.02 Crenshaw Stormwater
Improvements; Sullivan, Caleb P.; Goss, Stephanie
Subject: RE: [External] RE: Town of Wake Forest - Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements
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Hi Zach,
No worries. I think we covered everything below on our phone call just a few minutes ago, but wanted to let you know
that I did receive this email. It must've been the attachment that prevented the previous one from going through...
Thanks again for your guidance on this one, we will make sure to address everything as discussed in our PCN application
for Site 6.
Best,
NA ' Cam Baker, PE
Water Resources Engineer
cameron. baker(a_)wsp.com
T+ 1 919-836-4050
From: Thomas, Zachary T <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 1:01 PM
To: Baker, Cameron J. <[e-mail]>
Cc: Becker, Jonathan W. <[e-mail]>; Talma, Kobi <[e-mail]>; US - 31405543.02
Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements <[e-mail]>; Sullivan, Caleb P.
<[e-mail]>; Goss, Stephanie <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] RE: Town of Wake Forest - Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements
Hi Cam,
Sorry for the phone tag. I sent a follow-up email 9/19 with the original email to Jon attached, but it appears that
it did not come through either. Since it may be an attachment issue, I have copy/pasted the language in this
email below:
Hi Jonathan,
I spoke with Stephanie regarding your stormwater and bank stabilization projects. Please see our
response below:
9 Site #5:

o It appears that this would fit under existing us%xisting stormwater conveyance and as
long as you stay within the existing footprint, you would not need a buffer authorization
from DWR.
o As long as you do not trigger any of the thresholds in the corresponding GC4239 for the
NWP3, mainly staying under the 40 linear feet impact (Item b), then you should be
covered by the GC and not need written 401 authorization from DWR.
o Please make sure to include information about this site in your PCN application for Site
#6 if you plan to do the work at the some time to help the review understand the impacts
(design, non -notifying, etc.)
• Site #6:
o It appears that this one would need written buffer authorization from DWR for the bank
stabilization/protection of existing structures (15A NCAC 028.0714(11)(s)& (dd)) and a
NWP13 corresponding 401 for the stream relocation/restoration portions of the
project.
o Please make sure to include information about Site #5 in your PCN application (design,
non -notifying, etc.)
• We can consider your pre file notification date in April when you first notified Stephanie/me via
email. Please make sure to send a notification email to the [e-mail] to meet the
requirement and include a copy as part of your application.
If you have any additional questions or would like to discuss further, please let me know and 1 can set up
a TEAMS meeting to discuss.
Thank you,
Zach Thomas
Environmental Program Consultant, Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]
Raleigh Regional Office
1628 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-1628
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From: Baker, Cameron J. <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 10:52 AM
To: Thomas, Zachary T <[e-mail]>
Cc: Becker, Jonathan W. <[e-mail]>; Talma, Kobi <[e-mail]>; US - 31405543.02
Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements <[e-mail]>; Sullivan, Caleb P.
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Subject: [External] RE: Town of Wake Forest - Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements
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Hi Zach,
I tried to reach to yesterday morning on the phone but didn't get through, and wanted to follow up on my
message. As I mentioned on the recording, Jon forwarded me the voicemail you left him on Tuesday as he is out
the country on vacation. I think your original response to Jon's email below got lost or never went through. Do
you mind sending that email again?
We are hoping to confirm that our non -notifying assumption for Site 5 and permitting approach for Site 6 is
correct before submitting the PCN application through NCDEQ's online portal. I am available all afternoon today
if you have a chance to return my call and would prefer to discuss on the phone.
Thank you,
NA ) Cam Baker, PE
Water Resources Engineer
cameron. baker(a_)wsp.com
T+ 1 919-836-4050
From: Becker, Jonathan W. <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 3:17 PM
To: [e-mail]
Cc: Baker, Cameron J. <[e-mail]>; Talma, Kobi <[e-mail]>; US -
31405543.02 Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements <[e-mail]>; Sullivan, Caleb P.
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Town of Wake Forest - Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements
Good Afternoon Zach,
I left a voicemail on your phone but figured I would follow up via email as well. I wanted to let you know
that I submitted a pre -filing notification (attached) in case our correspondence from back in April cannot
cover that requirement.
Additionally, I was curious if you had a chance to catch up with Stephanie to confirm if Site 5 might be
appropriate for construction without notification. As discussed, the stream impacts should be below 40
LF, and is largely focused on rehabilitation of an existing stormwater conveyance.
We plan to submit a PCN for the 404/401/buffer authorization covering site 6, but will likely bid and
construct both sites together.
We look forward to hearing your thoughts. Since I will be out of the office next week, I have included
phone numbers below for both Caleb Sullivan and Cam Baker if you prefer to discuss via phone.
Caleb: 980-701-3161
Cam: 919-836-4050
Thanks again,
Jon
Jon Becker, PE

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Jon. Becker(a�wsp.com
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From: Becker, Jonathan W.
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2023 9:41 AM
To: [e-mail]
Cc: Baker, Cameron J. <[e-mail]>; Talma, Kobi <[e-mail]>; US -
31405543.02 Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements <[e-mail]>; Sullivan, Caleb P.
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Town of Wake Forest - Crenshaw Stormwater Improvements
Good Morning Zach,
I hope you enjoyed the weekend. I wanted to follow up regarding a project we discussed with you and
Stephanie via email back in April. I have attached that older correspondence for reference.
As part of that project, the Town of Wake Forest had originally identified five existing outfall locations to
be improved (sites #1- #5) and one segment of stream requiring restoration (site #6). At this time, we
are planning to pause the design for sites 1-4 and are moving forward with 5 and 6 only. We are
working to expedite our design schedule, and have been talking with Dicky Harmon (USACE) about the
best way to permit these sites. Below is a quick summary of each:
• Site #5 is located in the backyard of 1301 Clatter Ave. and is an approximately 50LF long
ephemeral tributary requiring reconstruction along with drainage outfall improvements. The
tributary receives flow from three dual -grate reverse flow inlets.
o The existing dual -grate structures, sections of existing pipe connecting the structures,
and the existing riprap lined channel will be removed and replaced with a modified
regenerative step pool storm conveyance (RSPSC).
o Nationwide Permit 3 — Below the threshold for notification
Site #6 is located in the backyard of 922 Jones Wynd and is an approximately 220LF long,
perennial stream, requiring minor relocation and comprehensive bank stabilization. Site 6 is
located <300 feet downstream of proposed work at Site #5.
o The primary objective at site #6 is to restore the stream segment into a stabilized and
healthy state and in doing so will mitigate homeowner concerns as the stream migrates.
As evident in the attached pictures, the bank erosion is rapidly approaching the home's
foundation and support columns for the rear deck. Due to the safety concerns and
potential loss of property, Site #6 has become the highest priority for the town, and has
been put on an expedited design schedule.
o Nationwide Permit 13
Based on initial conversations with Dicky, it sounds like he would only expect submission of a 404
application for Site 6. However, I would like to talk with you about the expectations for the 401 permit
and buffer authorization. I am wondering if the impacts would be considered "allowable" and if any
kind of permit submission would be required. If authorization is required, I want to discuss how to
handle that with the two sites combined.
Would you be available for a quick call in the next day or two?

Thanks,
Jon
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Jon Becker, PE
Raleigh Water Resources Lead
Jon. Becker(a�wsp.com
T+ 1 919-836-4056
WSP USA Inc.
434 Fayetteville Street, Suite 1500
Raleigh, North Carolina 27601
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