20150208 Ver 1_More Info Received_20150413

Fox, Tim
From:
Clement Riddle <Cement @cwenv.com>
Sent:
Monday, April 13, 2015 9:08 AM
To:
Brown, David W SAW; Fox, Tim; Price, Zan (George)
Subject:
RE: Camp Watia Site Visit Summary (UNCLASSIFIED)
Attachments:
Camp Watia Revised Section C Permit Impacts.pdf; Scan0011.pdf
David and Tim,
Attached are the following:
1. Revised impact table for Camp Watia PCN
2. A revised utility line detail as requested
3. The impact S10 that has been removed from the project because the replacement pipe will not be needed long
term will be removed by September 1, 2015.
If I have forgotten anything or you need additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Thank you,
Clement
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From: Clement Riddle [mailto:clement @cwenv.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:11 AM
To: Brown, David W SAW
Cc: Fox, Tim
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Camp Watia Site Visit Summary (UNCLASSIFIED)
David and Tim,
Attached is the revised Section C (Page 5) with the correct proposed
impacts in the table for locations 8a, 8b, and 10. There is no change
to the proposed linear feet of impact 9, only the location has shifted upstream to avoid the trees. I hope this provides
you what you were needing. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or comments.
Thank you,
Clement
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From: Brown, David W SAW [mailto:David.W.Brown @usace.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 20151:01 PM
To: Clement Riddle
Cc: Fox, Tim; Leslie, Andrea I
Subject: RE: Camp Watia Site Visit Summary (UNCLASSIFIED)
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED

Caveats: NONE
Clement,
Thanks for submitting comments addressing the agencies (Corps, DWR, and
WRC) concerns and questions from the site visit on March 16. After review and evaluation of the comments provided by
Clearwater Environmental, the Corps is requesting the following additional information in orderfor us to consider the
submitted application complete.
1) Submittal of a revised Section C- Proposed Impacts Inventory of the PCN to accurately note all proposed impacts for
the project including those impacts changed by the revisions to Impacts 10, 8 & 9.
Once the Corps receives the information listed above, we will be able to continue to process your application. If you
have any questions please contact me.
Have a good weekend,
David Brown, PG
Regulatory Specialist /Geologist
828- 271 -7980, ext. 232
[e-mail]
USACE Wilmington District - Asheville Regulatory Field Office
151 Patton Avenue, Room 208
Asheville, NC 28801 -5006
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From: Clement Riddle [mailto:clement @cwenv.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 25,2015 10:17 AM
To: Brown, David W SAW; tim.fox @ncdenr.gov
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Camp Watia Site Visit Summary
Tim and David,
The following is a summary of items that were discussed regarding the Camp Watia site visit on March 16, 2015. We
believe that this covers all of the issues discussed during this meeting. However, in the eventthat we have left
something out oryou have additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
1. The Corps /DWR had requested a revised creek crossing typical showing rip-rap placed at least 6 -8" below the original
stream bed and covered with native gravel and sand from the stream. Also should not be added
above the ordinary high water.

Attached is a revised cross - section Detail showing that rip rap will only be added below the Ordinary High Water Mark
and banks will be re- sloped, matted and planted.
2. DWR /Corps reminded applicant that all culverts should be installed to meet the conditions of the permit (imbedded
in the stream).
The culverts have been sized and designed by WGLA Engineering. Attached is new culvert installation detail for the
culverts installation to be imbedded.
3. DAR asked for explanation about the impact for culvert 5. Can the applicant use or remove the existing culvert
below this impact?
The applicant has prepared the site plan that reduces and minimizes stream impacts by making use of 3 existing culverts
Onsite. Despite their best efforts they are not able to use the existing culvert downstream of the proposed impact 5 and
maintain the project layout.
The parking lot is designed with two entrances /exits to improve traffic flow and safety. On the busiest days this is likely
to be one way
traffic. The existing culvert that is not being used is located at
such an angle that it would negatively affect the radius of curvature for traffic, which has a negative impact on traffic
flow and safety, especially for large buses. The existing culvert is also located in close proximity to the camp Welcome
Depot. The camp Welcome Depot is centrally located in the center of camp property and is setback off the
County Road in order to allow for traffic and safety as well. This
project site plan has minimal impacts to streams and wetlands and done an outstanding job of using existing
infrastructure to support the new
development. The applicant is not removing the existing culverts
located on -site as that mitigation activity is not required and beyond the scope of this project.
4. Impact #10 is an after - the -fact culvert replacement. DWR /Corps requested that the culvert be reinstalled to meet
the aquatic life passage requirement. Culvert should be buried approximately 8 inches.
Impact 10 was part of a culvert replacement. It is now CEC's understanding that the replaced culvert will be removed
and the banks will be graded so that they match the existing upstream and downstream shape /grade. The banks will be
matted and seeded per the attached detail. The culvert crossing allowed construction equipment access to the new
grass field. Future access to the field is shown using a new road through upland areas as shown on the original Master
plan (11x17) submitted with the application.
5. DWR and the Corps requested clarification on Impact #8.

Attached is a revised sheet detail (Sheet 6 of 7). The original detail showed 70 linear feet of temporary impact from
utilities at 3locations.
The revised detail shows 2 locations for temporary impact (8A and 8B).
The temporary impact for 8A is proposed at 20 linear feet) and the temporary impact for 813 which combines 2 of the
previous impacts (1 gravity line and 1 pressure line) into one trench. The proposed temporary impact for 8B is 50 linear
feet, However, the applicant is going to attempt to reduce this length during installation.
6. DWR AND WRC requested that the temporary impact for proposed Impact
#9 (water line crossing) be moved upstream in order to avoid two large trees located along the stream bank.
The applicant has agreed to do this and this is shown on the revised figure, Sheet 7 of 7 (attached)
7. Corps and DWR asked about the location of the proposed waste water treatment plant.
The applicant chose this location for several reasons. It is less costly to locate the facility here because it allows for the
use off more gravity lines. This in turn will be less expensive to operate and maintain over the course of the
camp.. Secondly, the location is more removed from the overall vicinity of the camp operations. Please note that the
jurisdictional stream proposed for impact is located within and probably the result of the existing old road bed.
8. DWR was concerned about the location of the proposed swim area.
The applicant located the swim area at this location for best access and due the existing gentle slope. The beach area is
restricted by larger wetland area to the west and steeper topography to the east that would prevent easy and safe
access by campers. The beach is impacting 0.02 acres of wetlands.
9. The Corps requested and updated Stream and Wetland Delineation Map (figure 6- stream #7).
Kevin Mitchel submitted the revised JD map to David Brown on March 13, 2015.
10. DWR asked about the parking lot areas and stormwater.

The seasonal camp has 2 gravel parking lot areas shown. Each of the parking areas is about 0.06 acres in size. There is
no curb and gutter and the sheet flow is being directed into grass swales. It is CEC's opinion that due to the small size of
the parking area and the use of sheet flow and grass ditches that this area meets the low density requirement and that
no additional storm water treatment /management is needed.
I hope that this addresses all of the concerns raised in the onsite meeting.
Clement
CWE_4c
224 South Grove Street, Suite F
Hendersonville, NC 28792
Office: 828 -698 -9800
Mobile: [phone]
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

2. Wetland Impacts
If there are wetland impacts proposed on the site, then complete this question for each wetland area impacted.
2a.
2b.
2c.
2d.
2e.
2f.
Wetland impact
Type of jurisdiction
number—
Type of impact
Type of wetland
Forested
(Corps - 404, 10
Area of impact
Permanent (P) or
(if known)
DWQ— non -404, other)
(acres)
Temporary T
W1 EP(]T
Impact Site #1 -
❑ Yes
E Corps
0.004
Fill
❑No
[9 DWQ
W2 E P ❑ T
Impact Site #2
❑ Yes
E Corps
0 02
Fill
❑ No
E DWQ
W3 ❑POT
❑Yes
El Corps
❑ Na
I ❑ DWQ
W4 ❑ P ❑ T
❑ Yes
❑ Corps
❑ No
❑ DWQ
W5 ❑ P ❑ T
❑ Yes
❑ Corps
❑ No
❑ DWQ
W60P�T
❑Yes
❑Corps
0 N
❑DWq
2g. Total wetland impacts
0,024
2h. Comments:
3. Stream Impacts
If there are perennial or intermittent stream impacts (including temporary impacts) proposed on the site, then complete this
question for all stream sites impacted.
3a.
31h.
3c.
3d.
3e.
3f.
3g.
Stream impact
Type of impact
Stream name
Perennial
Type of jurisdiction
Average
Impact
number -
(PER) or
(Corps - 404, 10
stream
length
Permanent(P)or
intermittent
DWQ— non -404,
width
(linear
Temporary (T)
(INT)?
other)
(feet)
feet)
S1 E P ❑ T
Impact Site #1
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
65
Fill
Branch
❑ INT
E DWQ
S3 E P ❑ T
Impact Site #3
UT Townhouse
E PER -
E Corps
20
Culvert
Branch
❑ INT
E DWQ
S4 E P [:IT
Impact Site #4
UT Townhouse
® PER
E Corps
32
Culvert
Branch
❑ INT
E DWQ
S5 E P ❑ T
Impact Site #5
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
26
Culvert
Branch
❑ INT
E DWQ
S6 E P ❑ T
Impact Site #6
Townhouse
E PER
®Corps
1
Culvert
Branch
❑ INT
E DWQ
S7 ❑ P E T
Impact Site #7
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
20
Utility Crossing
Branch
❑INT
EDWQ
S8A ❑ P E T
Impact Site #8A
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
20
Utility Crossing
Branch
El INT
EDWQ
S88 ❑ P E T
Impact Site #8B
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
50
Utility Crossing
Branch
El INT
EDWQ
S9 ❑PET
Impact Site #9
Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
20
Utility Crossing
Branch
El INT
E DWQ
Impact Site #10
S10 ❑ P E T
After Fact Culvert
UT Townhouse
E PER
E Corps
0
Replacement
Branch
❑ INT
EDWQ
(To Be Removed)
3h. Total stream and tributary impacts
254
3i. Comments:
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