TJ’s Marine project

From: Steve Trowell
To: Hararove. Andrew D
Cc: Clark Wright; May. David; Tankard. Robert; Snider, Hollev; Sullivan. Shelton; Tetterton. Toby (tobin(a)rsnet.ora)
Subject: Re: [External] Us Marine project
Date: Sunday, January 29, 2023 5:33:34 PM
Attachments: DWR Res Attach2 6.odf
Maior CAMA Dredae and Fill Frank Fiero 130-06.odf
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Drew:
Attached are two more examples of basins in the Tar/Pamlico buffer. I have all my files from
my years as a field representative with the Division of Coastal Management. I went through
them friday afternoon and found a couple more boat basin examples, one from 2006 and one
from 2012 that went through the Major CAMA permit process. I got the DWR Project ID off
the note section of the major permit and looked them up on laserfiche. From 2006 the DWR
Project ID number did not match the file on laserfiche. I attached the 2006 example Major
CAMA/Dredge and Fill permit for your information. The DWR Project ID Number is found
in the note section on the last page of permit conditions. The project from 2012, I was able to
locate the file in Laserfiche and attached the DWR approval.
I know there are other examples out there, these are some I could find on my own without
going through a formal request to DWR or DCM. DWR staff had to have considered these as
a water dependent structure. Even the note section in the Major permit makes reference to
water dependent activities when noting that the project is in the Tar/Pam Basin subject to the
DWR buffer standards.
I hope the DWR review of the more information and project design changes is nearing
completion. If more examples like this will help Toby get a favorable decision in regards to
an upland boat basin as "allowable" as a water dependent activity/structure per the table of
uses, let me know as there are many more examples from both CAMA General Permits NCAC
7H.1500 and issued Major CAMA/Dredge and Fill permits.
Steve Trowell
[phone]
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 3:59 PM Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrovei�.ncdenr.gov> wrote:
Steve,
I enjoyed meeting you last week. We look forward to reviewing these supplemental
materials as well as the currently proposed project.
Thanks,

Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality
Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
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From: Steve Trowell <stevejtrowellagmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 3:16 PM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove(cr�.ncdenr.gov>
Cc: Clark Wright <ic�hwleg , m>; May, David <david.ma(a,ncdenr.gov>; Tankard,
Robert <robert.tankard(g4ncdenr.gov>; Snider, Holley <holley.snider(g4ncdenr.gov>;
Sullivan, Shelton<shelton.sullivan(c�,ncdenr.gov>; Tetterton, Toby (tobin�4rsnet.org)
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Drew:
As discussed during our January 10, 2023 meeting attached is a Buffer Authorization issued
to Mr. David Williams on September 23, 2022 by DWR staff Mr. Robert Tankard for a
house and new upland boat basin for a project located in Beaufort County on a
canal, subject to the Tar/Pamlico Buffer rule, off Chocowinity Bay near the City of
Washington on the Pamlico River. The purpose and need for this project is exactly the same
as Mr. Tetterton's current project with the exception that Mr. Tetterton's project does not
include any impervious surface in the buffer. The canal for the Willams Project was narrow
so to maintain navigation in the canal an upland boat basin was designed and permitted.
Please take the time to review William's BA and it's conditions. I submit this to you to
support a similar decision regarding Mr. Tetterton's request to undertake upland excavation
in a man made canal for the purpose of mooring vessels while maintaining navigation. The
thought process and project evaluation per the "Table of Uses" of the "William's Project"

had to have considered an upland boat basin as a water dependent structure.
I hope the EMC meeting last week was productive. I look forward to DWR's response to the
materials provided during our January 10, 2022 meeting regarding Mr. Tetterton's project so
that we can get his project moving again through the Major CAMA/Dredge and Fill permit
process.
Steve Trowell
[phone]
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 9:01 AM Steve Trowell <stevejtrowellaa umail.com> wrote:
Drew:
Please see the attached materials for DWR 401/Buffer staff and your review prior to this
afternoon's meeting in Washington.
Steve Trowell
[phone].
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:55 PM Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove e,ncdenr.gov>
wrote:
Clark,
Thanks for the follow up ... just wanted to make sure that we were all squared away
because several of our folks might be travelling.
I have cc'd all of the DWR staff who will be attending so that your team can reach out
to the group. I'm not sure what the volume of information is that your team would be
circulating on Monday PM or Tuesday AM, but we will do our best to review the
materials prior to the meeting. However, I am personally in meetings from 9am-2pm on
Tuesday (and then would be driving from Raleigh to the meeting) and know that some
of our staff are similarly situated. Asa result, I just want to make sure that we all

understand that some or all of the DWR team may not have had an opportunity to fully
review the materials prior to the meeting. If that is a concern, then please let me know
and I can provide DWR's availability for the following week. With respect to
scheduling next week, a big conflict for some of our folks is the EMC meetings on
Wednesday and Thursday.
I understand the urgency and would like to meet ASAP, but I also want to be respectful
of everyone's time and to make sure that this meeting is as efficient/productive as
possible. I am happy to discuss scheduling/logistics with you if helpful and my
immediate availability for a call is: Sunday afternoon from 1-3 and Monday from 8--10
and 121.
Thanks,
Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality
Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
Phone: [phone]
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From: Clark Wright <icw(cr�.dhwlegaLcom>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 5:54 PM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargroveancdenr.gov>
Cc: Steve Trowell <stevejtrowell(a4gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
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Apologies for not getting back to you sooner, Drew; let's lock in Tuesday 4-5 pm. I will
ask Steve Trowell to circulate some information, including a drawing, by COB
Monday, or early Tuesday — to help facilitate that, can you email me everyone's email
contact information? I am copying Steve Trowell here so he can receive that when you
reply.
Thanks much, Drew — have a good weekend.
Best,
Clark Wright
Davis Hartman Wright LLP
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From: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove(cr�.ncdenr.gov>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 4:09 PM
To: Clark Wright <icwadhwlegaLcom>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
Just following up on this, especially if the Monday timeslot is what works for your
team. Our staff who will be travelling need to make arrangements in advance.

Thanks,
Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality
Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
From: Clark Wright <icw(cr�.dhwlega-1com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:53 PM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargroveUncdenr.gov>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
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Thanks, Drew — as I think you already know, from "our side" it will be Toby Tetterton,
Steve Trowell and myself — the Tuesday 4-5 pm time slot works best for me — still
trying to get input from Tetterton and Trowell ... stay tuned ...
Not sure we need to chat via phone — call my cell if you do want to chat ...
Thanks much,
Clark Wright

Davis Hartman Wright LLP
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From: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove(&,,ncdenr.gov>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:49 PM
To: Clark Wright <icwadhwlegaLcom>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
For all timeslots, David May, Robert Tankard, Shelton Sullivan, and Holley Snider...
(and me, assuming you're attending) would be the attendees. For the Tuesday timeslots,
Holley would have to attend virtually and Shelton may need to as well.
Thanks,
r Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality

Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
Phone: [phone]
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From: Clark Wright <icw(cr�.dhwlega_1com>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:20 PM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove(cr�,ncdenr.gov>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
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Thanks, Drew — can you give me specifics re whom would be attending from DWR,
and whom can attend in person in the WaRO during the various time and date slots —
especially the Tuesday ones?
Many thanks,
Clark Wright
Davis Hartman Wright LLP
209 Pollock Street
New Bern, NC 28560
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From: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargrove(cncdenr.gov>
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:00 PM
To: Clark Wright <icw(cr�,dhwle ag l.com>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
I'm following up regarding DWR availability for a meeting —feel free to respond via
email or call me during the placeholder time set for today at 4.
If there is a preference for an in -person meeting (in Washington Regional Office), then
the earliest time (and only time next week) that seems to work for our team is Monday,
January 9th at 2pm. We would have folks coming from Raleigh and Wilmington.
If the flex option (some remote and some in person) is preferable, then the availability
next week opens up to include Monday, January 9th: 15 and Tuesday, January loth: 1
2 and 45.
If none of those times work well for your team, then I can circle back to provide
DWR's availability for the weeks of January 17th-20th and January 2327th
Thanks,
Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality
Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
Phone: [phone]

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From: Clark Wright <icw(cr�.dhwlega_1com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 1:00 PM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew_hargrove(cr�.ncdenr.gov>
Subject: Re: [External] TJ's Marine project
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Thanks, Drew; how about tomorrow morning around 9 o'clock?
Clark Wright
Davis Hartman Wright LLP
209 Pollock Street
New Bern, NC 28560
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From: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.hargroveancdenr.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:34:32 PM
To: Clark Wright <icwadhwlega1com>
Subject: RE: [External] TJ's Marine project
Happy to talk today if helpfulI am available from 2:30-3:30. Also, I'm pretty wide
open tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll be working to provide DWR availability.
Thanks,

Drew Hargrove
Assistant General Counsel
NC Department of Environmental Quality
Mailing Address: 1601 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1601
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
From: Clark Wright <icw(cr�.dhwlega-1com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 9:54 AM
To: Hargrove, Andrew D <drew.har rg ove&ncdenr.g_ov>
Subject: [External] TJ's Marine project
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Happy new year, Drew; I hope you and yours had a good one. I'm going to be traveling
up to Raleigh for the next two hours and will have some drive time ability to talk by
phone if you do. I thought it might be worth you and I touching base ahead of our
penciled in conference call later in the week.
Do you have any time for a call?
Many thanks, Drew.
Clark Wright
Davis Hartman Wright LLP
209 Pollock Street
New Bern, NC 28560
Voice: 252-262-7054

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