20221345 Ver 1_RE_ [External] Re_ ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green_20221024

From: Snider, Holley
To: Gerald Pottern; Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA); Weychert, Curtis R
Cc: Carl Scharfe; Montalvo, Sheri A
Subject: RE: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
Date: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:47:00 PM
Attachments: GC4276 for NW58 signed with effective date.pdf
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Good afternoon All,
Based on the information provided on the impact table and in the previous email correspondence,
the proposed project does not require written approval for impacts to surface waters or wetlands
from the Division of Water Resources. If the conditions of the attached general water quality
certification cannot be met or the project impacts change to exceed the thresholds listed, an
Individual Water Quality Certification will be required by the DWR. Please feel free to call ore mail
me if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Holley Snider • ,><((((12> ' ' ,,..><((((2>..'
Environmental Specialist II
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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From: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 2:20 PM
To: Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>; Weychert,
Curtis R <[e-mail]>; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Montalvo, Sheri A
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Subject: Re: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
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Tom Charles and I spoke by phone Friday at 5 pm after he received my email below. We
discussed the impacts and maps, and he agreed that we do NOT need to resubmit the PCN.
Instead, he asked that I revise the impacts table that I sent on Thurs Oct 20 to include the
Queen Creek crossing, which is tidal and is therefore considered TNW (traditional navigable

water). With that, he can issue the 404 approval. The revised table of wetland and streams
impacts is attached here.
Feel free to call or email me if anybody has questions or issues with this approach.
Sincerely,
Gerald Pottern
Mogensen Mitigation Inc. - Raleigh
MMI Environmental Consultants
104 East Chestnut Avenue
Wake Forest, NC 27587
Office / Home: 919-556-8845
Mobile / Text: 919-649-6506
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From: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 4:47 PM
To: Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)<thomas.p.charlesPusace.army.mil>; Weychert,
Curtis R <[e-mail]>; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe<cscharfePthewootencompany.com>; Montalvo, Sheri A
<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
Hi Tom -- Here's what I am planning to do based on your guidance below. Please clarify if I
am misinterpreting anything:

1. Delete the wetland impacts and table (Sec D.2) in the PCN that I submitted on Sep 28.
2. Add a stream impacts table with just one line for Queen Creek -- "HDD crossing - no
impact".
3. Re -submit the revised PCN to: [e-mail] and copy to your
email, but not through DWR edocs, correct?
Thanks again!
Gerald
From: Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <thomas.o.charles( usace.army.mil>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 4:08 PM
To: Gerald Pottern <gootternCErjgacarolina.com>; Weychert, Curtis R <[e-mail]>;
Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe<cscharfePthewootencompany.com>; Montalvo, Sheri A
<sheri.montalvo@@enr.gov>
Subject: RE: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
Gerald you will need to send a PCN in for a NWP 58 for Queen's Creek because, it is TNW. You don't
need anything from the Corps regarding your project ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
except under Queen's Creek.
Regards, Tom
Thomas Charles (Tom)
thomas.p.charlesPusace.army.mil
Regulatory Specialist
910-251-4101 cell 910-465-7602
https://www.saw.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory-Permit-Program/Permits/2017-Nationwide-
Permits/
E-PCN-Submittal
https://edocs.deq.nc.gov/Forms/Pre-Construction Notification Form
PJDs', Wetland Delineation Concurrence & JD's. http://saw-reg.usace.army.mil/JD/FINALSAW-JD-

REQUEST-FORM-20170508.pdf
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From: Gerald Pottern <gootternc rigacarolina.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 8:48 PM
To: Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>; Weychert,
Curtis R <[e-mail]>; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Montalvo, Sheri A
<[e-mail]>
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to
Piney Green
Thank you Tom,
• The only affected Section 10 stream that is shown in your KMZ file is Queen Creek
(crossing QE) at 34.71294, -77.22257.
• Pasture Branch 2200 ft east of Queen Cr (crossing QD at 34.71495, -77.21574) is not in
your KMZ file, but may also be tidal, based on elevation.
• These two crossings (QD and QE) are both freshwater swamp streams on the north side
of NC-24, and lack the characteristic marsh plants that DCM uses for identifying Coastal
Wetland AECs.
• Crossings at QD and QE will be installed by HDD directional bore, with no direct impacts
to the channels.
• All other proposed stream and wetland crossings along the project corridors are non -
tidal small tributaries of Queen Creek or Wallace Creek, more than 10 ft above mean
sea level.
• All other stream crossings will be installed by HDD directional bore, with no direct
impacts to the channel.
• Six areas of pine -flat wetlands within and abutting the roadside ditches along NC-24 will
be affected by trenching and clearing for pipeline construction access. These impacts

range from 0.02 to 0.16 ac each, and total 0.39 acre.
• These six temporary wetland impact areas are mapped in the attached figures, and
listed in the attached excel table. These are the maps that I submitted to you by email
with the original PJD Request/PCN package on June 15, and re -submitted on Sep 28
through DWR edocs, as you requested.
• The attached excel table contains the information from the PCN impacts table plus
Lat/Long coordinates.
Please let me know if you need anything else.
Sincerely,
Gerald Pottern
Mogensen Mitigation Inc. - Raleigh
MMI Environmental Consultants
104 East Chestnut Avenue
Wake Forest, NC 27587
Office / Home: 919-556-8845
Mobile / Text: 919-649-6506
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From: Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)<[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:52 PM
To: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>; Weychert, Curtis R <[e-mail]>;
Snider, Holley <holley.sniderPncdenr.gov>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Montalvo, Sheri A
<sheri.montalvoPncdenr.gov>
Subject: RE: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green

Good afternoon,
Tidal waters are section 10, so any work over, through, or beneath requires review and section 10
approval.
The other waters may or may not be section 10, so I can't say whether or not they would require our
review. Please send location map/maps
All are be directional bore correct?
Please see Kmz.
Regards, Tom
Thomas Charles (Tom)
[e-mail]
Regulatory Specialist
910-251-4101 cell 910-465-7602
https://www.saw.usace.army.mil/Missions/Regulatory-Permit-Program/Permits/2017-Nationwide-
Permits/
E-PCN-Submittal
https://edocs.deq.nc.gov/Forms/Pre-Construction_Notification_Form
PJDs', Wetland Delineation Concurrence & JD's. http://saw-reg.usace.army.mil/JD/FINALSAW-JD-
REQU EST-FORM-20170508.pdf
Submittal You may submit requests via e-mail in PDF format to
[e-mail]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public.
To help us ensure we continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located
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From: Gerald Pottern <gootternPrjgacarolina.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:36 PM
To: Weychert, Curtis R <[e-mail]>; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>;
Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)<[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Montalvo, Sheri A
<sheri.montalvoPncdenr.gov>
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to
Piney Green
Hello Curt -- Thank you for your clarification regarding "conditional language on the permit to
receive all DWR requirements prior to commencing work". On Sept 14 you stated that DCM is
ready to issue the CAMA General permit for the project pending receipt of the $400 permit
review fee. I mailed a check for that amount to the Morehead City office on Sep 16. Can you
issue that permit approval now?

Tom and Holley -- Regarding ACE and DWR approvals, if required, I have created and attached
an elevation profile of the project corridor which shows the two stream crossings near Hubert
with tidal influence (Queen Cr crossing QE, and Pasture Branch crossing QD) and the
remaining streams and wetlands at higher elevations that are non -tidal, but are classified as
SA-HQW (Queen Cr and Tribs) or SB-NSW (Wallace Cr and Tribs). Mile 0.0 is at Piney Green,
and mile 6.7 is east of Hubert.
Please clarify whether ACE and/or DWR review and approval are needed, in addition to the
CAMA General Permit, and also whether a DWR review fee ($240) is also required. As stated
in my Oct 6 email, the only reason we submitted the application to DWR was because Tom
Charles at ACE requested that we re -submit it that way.
Holley - In answer to your question from our Oct 6 telephone discussion, the DWR NPDES
permitting unit has not yet approved the force main design. The Wooten Company engineer
informed me that the NPDES unit requests the ACE and DEQ approvals be submitted along
with the project plans for their review.
Thank you, and apologies for the confusion!
Gerald Pottern
Mogensen Mitigation Inc. - Raleigh
MMI Environmental Consultants
104 East Chestnut Avenue
Wake Forest, NC 27587
Office / Home: 919-556-8845
Mobile / Text: 919-649-6506
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From: Weychert, Curtis R <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 1:40 PM
To: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>; Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>;
Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW (USA) <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Kristen Pierce
<[e-mail]>; Charles Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
Mr. Pottern, the project me the requirements of the DCM General Permit. There is conditional
language on the permit to receive all DWR requirements prior to commencing work.
Curt
Curtis Weychert
DCM Field Representative / Environmental Specialist II
North Carolina Division of Coastal Management
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 4:31 PM
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Cc: Carl Scharfe<[e-mail]>; Kristen Pierce
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Subject: [External] Re: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
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Hi Holley, Curt, and Tom --
Just checking back regarding my Oct 6 email (below) to see if you've determined whether this

project needs review and approval by all three of your agencies or only DCM. See the yellow
highlighted text below. I realize you were all in the "CC" list and not in the "To" list on that
previous email, and might not have read it.
I do not yet have an answer from The Wooten Company as to whether the DWR engineering
unit has approved the pipeline design.
Thanks!
Gerald Pottern
From: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2022 12:30 PM
To: Kristen Pierce <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carl Scharfe <[e-mail]>; Charles Davis
<[e-mail]>; Weychert, Curtis R <curt.weychertPncdenr gov>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>; Charles, Thomas P CIV USARMY CESAW
(USA) <Thomas.P.CharlesPusace.army.mil>
Subject: ONWASA NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
Hi Kristen,
I know Carl is on vacation. Do you know if DEQ Water Quality Permitting (NPDES) section has
approved the force main plans for this project? Holley Snider at DWR told me today that we
need to send the NPDES permit approval to the NC Div Coastal Mgmt so they can issue our
CAMA General Permit.
On Sep 28 the US -ACE agent Tom Charles requested that I resubmit the CAMA permit
application using the NC-DWR edocs portal in order to get an ACE Action ID number assigned
(e.g., SAW-2022-xxx). I did that on Sep 28 as Tom requested, but doing that also opened up a
project review number at the DWR 401 Section, which got Holley at DWR involved.
Normally we don't need 401 approval when DCM is issuing a CAMA General Permit, according
to Holley (and ex-DCM agent Ryan Davenport that I spoke with last year). However, there is
some question about which agencies are responsible for approving the impacts to non -AEC
streams and wetlands, since these proposed pipelines cross both tidal (AEC) and non -tidal
(non -AEC) waters. Holley said she would check into this.
I have copied Holley Snider at DWR, Curt Weychert at DCM, and Tom Charles at USACE.
Gerald Pottern
Mogensen Mitigation Inc. - Raleigh

MMI Environmental Consultants
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Wake Forest, NC 27587
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From: Montalvo, Sheri A <sheri.montalvoPncdenr.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 11:38 AM
To: Gerald Pottern <gpDttern( rigacarolina.com>
Cc: Snider, Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Fw: Fee Request for ONWASA Water and Wastewater Lines, NC-24 from
Hubert to Piney Green ID # 20221345 Ver 1 on 9/29/2022
Holley,
Can you help with this? It came into me as a PCN not a CAMA. SO I guess I am a
little confused....
Thanks,
Sheri W1ootal/o
Administrative Specialist
401 & Buffer Permitting Branch
Division of Water Resources
Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Mailing address: 1617 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1617
Physical address: 512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604
From: Gerald Pottern <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 11:16 AM
To: Montalvo, Sheri A <[e-mail]>
Subject: [External] Fw: Fee Request for ONWASA Water and Wastewater Lines, NC-24 from Hubert
to Piney Green ID # 20221345 Ver 1 on 9/29/2022
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Hi Sheri,
The original PCN+CAMA application for this project was submitted to NC-DCM and US -ACE by email
on June 15, 2022, but was not submitted to the DWR edocs portal at that time, as DCM wasn't using
edocs according to Ryan Davenport.
Ryan has since left DCM, but Curt Weychert at DCM reviewed the application it and replied in an
email on Sept 14 that he is ready to approve it as a CAMA General permit. MMI paid the DCM
review fee ($400) by paper check to the Morehead City DCM office last week. I read somewhere in
the rules that if DCM charged a fee, then DWR's fee was waived. Is that still true?
I re -submitted the PCN yesterday (Sep 28) using the DWR edocs portal at the request of US -ACE
agent Tom Charles. He apologized for not processing our original submittal in June (by email) and
said ACE prefers to get applications through DWR edocs in order to get a SAW -number assigned.
Sorry for the confusion!
Gerald Pottern
Mogensen Mitigation Inc. - Raleigh
MMI Environmental Consultants
104 East Chestnut Avenue
Wake Forest, NC 27587
Office / Home: 919-556-8845
Mobile / Text: 919-649-6506
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 10:28 AM
To: Gerald Pottern <gpottern(Jrjgacarolina.com>
Subject: Fee Request for ONWASA Water and Wastewater Lines, NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green
ID # 20221345 Ver 1 on 9/29/2022
The North Carolina Division of Water Resources has received an application that you submitted on
9/28/2022 for ONWASA Water and Wastewater Lines, NC-24 from Hubert to Piney Green. The ID
number for that project is 20221345, Version 1.
Your permit request will not be reviewed until the fee for your project has been received. The
amount owed is $240.00.
1. You may pay either by mail with check/money order OR by electronic payment (Credit Card).
2. If payment is by check/money order, please remit payment to:
NCDEQ- Division of Water Resources
Attn: 401 Wetlands
1617 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-1617
3. If payment is electronic, please see https://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/water-resources/water-
quality-permitting/401-buffer-permitting-branch/wetlands. Credit card transactions will incur a
convenience fee.
4. Please include your Permit Number and Invoice Number on all correspondence.
5. A $25.00 processing fee will be charged for returned checks in accordance with North Carolina
General Statute 25-3-512.
6. Non -Payment of this fee by the payment due date will initiate the application being returned.
7. Should you have any questions regarding this invoice, please contact
Sheri Montalvo at [e-mail].

Project file link: https://edocs.deq.nc.gov/WaterResources/Browse.aspx?dbid=0&startid=2512492
If this permit application was submitted outside of standard business hours, it will be considered to
have been received on the next business day.
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