SW8950401_Historical File_20100622

NCDEI�IR
North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources
Division of Water Quality
Beverly Eaves Perdue Coleen H. Sullins Dee Freeman
Governor Director Secretary
June 22, 2010
Mr. George W. Hance, Jr.
Asst. Superintendent New Hanover County Schools
6410 Carolina Beach Road
Wilmington, NC 28412
Subject: Approved -Plan Revision
Codington Elementary School
Stormwater Project No. SW8 950401
New Hanover County
Dear Mr. Hance:
On June 8, 2010, the Wilmington Regional Office received a plan revision for Stormwater
Management Permit Number SW8 950401. This revision reallocates impervious area as shown
on the approved plans dated June 22, 2010. It has been determined that a formal permit
modification is not required for the proposed changes. We are forwarding you an approved copy
of the revised plans for your files. Please add the attached plans to the previously approved
plan sheet. The plans approved today show the 7,652sf of existing impervious area that was
not originally permitted as well as the 2,926sf of impervious that is proposed as new. The
impervious area was previously permitted to allow for 167,000sf of impervious area. The
reallocation approved today shows the revised layout of 166,961sf of impervious area.
Please be aware that all terms and conditions of the permit issued on May 31, 1995, remain
in full force and effect. Please also understand that the approval of this revision to the
approved plans for the subject State Stormwater Permit is done on a case -by -case basis.
Any other changes to this project must be approved through this Office prior to construction.
The issuance of this plan revision does not preclude the permittee from complying with all
other applicable statutes, rules; regulations or ordinances which may have jurisdiction over
the proposed activity, and obtaining a permit or approval prior to construction.
If you have any questions concerning this matter, please do not hesitate to call Georgette Scott
or me at [phone].
Y
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Environmental Engineer
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Johnson, Kelly
From:
Johnson, Kelly
Sent:
Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:23 PM
To:
'Eddie Anderson; Wolf, Cindee
Cc-
Eric Allen
Subject:
RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Attachments:
950401 PR.pdf
The attached Plan Revision approval will be mailed today.
Kelly
From: Eddie Anderson [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:36 AM
To: Wolf, Cindee; Johnson, Kelly
Cc: Eric Allen
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Please include George W. Hance, Jr., Asst. Superintendent on the permit application.
Sent from my Windows Mobile@ phone.
From: Wolf, Cindee <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:01 AM
To: Johnson, Kelly <[e-mail]>
Cc: Eddie Anderson < Eddie.Anderson@nhcs. net>; Eric Allen <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Since you copied this to Eddie Anderson, I will let him respond with the appropriate responsibility information. Thanks,
Cindee
From: Johnson, Kelly [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:29 AM
To: Wolf, Cindee
Cc: Eddie Anderson; Eric Allen
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Cindee,
I discussed this with my manager, Georgette Scott, and Linda Lewis. We typically issue permits to the person who is a
representative of the owner of the land who is in financial control of the land (usually either the School Superintendent
or the individual over the school board). I understand that Mr. Anderson is the Director of Facility Planning and
Construction and will likely implement the terms of the permit, but is there an alternate name that we can put on the
permit?
I have already written the letter, I just need to sort out this last detail.
Thanks,
Kelly

From: Wolf, Cindee [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:49 AM
To: Johnson, Kelly
Cc: Eddie Anderson; Eric Allen
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Please revise the current contact to:
Eddie Anderson
New Hanover County Schools
6410 Carolina Beach Road
Wilmington, NC 28412
Tel. [phone]
Fax [phone]
Can you tell me where we stand on the "revision?"
Cindee Wolf
910-509-6505
From: Johnson, Kelly [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:31 AM
To: Wolf, Cindee
Subject: FW: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Cindee,
For Codington, the latest name and address on file is:
Dr. Dale F. Martin
New Hanover County Schools
1802 South Fifteenth St
Wilmington, NC 28401
Is there a more recent name and/or address, or shall I send it as listed above?
Thanks,
Kelly
From: Eddie Anderson[mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:53 AM
To: Lewis,Linda; Woif, Cindee; Scott, Georgette
Cc: Eric Allen; [e-mail]; Johnson, Kelly; Russell, Janet
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Mrs. Lewis,
Thank you for all your assistance on these projects. Your summary of the permits at both Codington and Parsley has
been very helpful. We began our review of this information with Cindee this morning and we have a meeting scheduled
with your staff next Thursday. At that time we can discuss what we think are the best options for moving forward.
Thanks again and we look forward to meeting with you and your staff.
Eddie

Eddie Anderson
Director, Facility Planning & Construction
eddie.anderson nhcs.net
New Hanover County Schools
6410 Carolina Beach Road
Wilmington, North Carolina 28412
tel: [phone]
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From: Lewis,Linda [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 6:43 PM
To: Eddie Anderson; Wolf, Cindee; Scott, Georgette
Cc: Eric Allen; [e-mail]; Johnson, Kelly; Russell, Janet
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Mr. Anderson:
I have reviewed the stormwter permit files for both Parsley Elementary and Codington Elementary schools and
offer the following comments for your consideration:
PARSLEY
At Parsley, there are a number of discrepancies to address. No "existing" modular classrooms are shown on
the May 2001 approved plans. The original permit for Parsley was issued on February 24, 2000, and included
an allocation of 2.03 acres of BUA for buildings, which included "expansions and future modular units". I notice
on the pdf file that Cindee Wolf sent to me on April 29, 2010, someone (not DENR) had handwritten at the
bottom of the application form, 'A modulars at 864 sf and 2 expansions at 2640 sf each."
In the May, 2001 modification, the 4 modulars at 864 sf each were removed in order to provide for 3456 sf
(0.08 acres) of additional sidewalk area to cover 2 proposed sidewalk extensions. The result was no net
change in the amount of permitted BUA, which stayed at 183,388 square feet. The May 2001 modification
allows for 1.95 acres (84942 sf) of buildings which still includes the 2 expansions at 2640 sf, 1.89 acres of
parking, and 0.37 acres of sidewalks. No modulars were permitted with the May 2001 permit and the BUA did
not include any allocation for existing, proposed or future modular units.
There was only 1960 sf of BUA leftover in 2001 after everything was accounted for, The current proposal lists
only 73,744 sf of buildings. The current building BUA in the 2001 permit is 84,942 sf, which should cover only
the actual school building and the 2 building extensions because all of the available modular BUA (0.08 acres)
was removed and exchanged for more sidewalk. If you remove the 2 remaining building extensions at 2640 sf
each, then the absolute minimum building BUA starting point is 79,662, (84942 minus 5280). The five
unpermitted modulars, at 860 sf each, would then have to be added to 79,662 to come up with the new
permitted building total of 83,962 sf.
The 2001 sidewalk total of 16,117 is only being increased by 53 sf with the proposed modification. It appears
that you may have assumed that most of the sidewalk already out there was included in that 16,117, when it
fact again, the 16,117 is only the starting point. There has been quite a lot of sidewalk added that is not part of
that 16,117 sf, including sidewalk extensions at the northwest side (rear) of the building to the play area on one
side and to the modulars on the other; the sidewalk in front of the modulars; the sidewalk additions/changes
between the staff parking area and the playground and court areas; and the sidewalk addition at the front
entrance. I estimate the added BUA from the sidewalks is approximately 2,500 sf (500'long x 5' wide) . So the
new sidewalk total is 18,617 sf.

The 2001 parking area is 82,328 sf. The proposed modification is an increase to 86,601 sf. I assume the 2 new
paved court and playground areas and the new pavement at the mechanical area on the north side of the
building make up the 4,000 sf increase for the parking area. However, the 2 new paved playground and court
areas alone scale at over 6,600 sf, so why is the pavement area only being increased by 4,000 sf? Since the
2001 pavement area appears to have been constructed per the plans, the new pavement total should be a
minimum of 88,928 sf.
Grand total is at least 191,507 sf, which exceeds the maximum density limit of 30% for this project. We will
definitely need to meet to go over and discuss the derivation of these numbers for Parsley.
CODINGTON
This permit is high density for 167,000 sf of BUA to be treated in a wet pond. The BUA does not include any
"future" allocations, so in order not to impact the pond, you will need to show where and by how much the BUA
on the ground now differs from the amounts permitted. For the most part, the approved plan seems to have
been followed, except for 2 areas- one is the interior courtyard and the other is a terrace at the back north
corner. These areas do not appear to have as much pavement as they were approved for. These changes may
free up enough BUA to cover the added modular classrooms and sidewalks. A tradeoff of the courtyard and
terrace BUA for the modular unit BUA, can be approved as a plan revision as long as there is only 167,000 sf
or less BUA. The revised plans need to show how the runoff from the modular roofs will be collected and
drained into the wet detention pond. The collection system appears to be right next to the proposed locations
of the modulars, so directing the roof runoff into the collection system should not be an issue.
Linda
Please note my new email address is [e-mail]
Linda Lewis
NC Division of Water Quality
127 Cardinal Drive Ext.
Wilmington, NC 28405
910-796-7215
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may
be disclosed to third parties.
From: Eddie Anderson[mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:42 PM
To: Lewis,Linda; Wolf, Cindee; Scott, Georgette
Cc: Eric Allen; [e-mail]; Johnson, Kelly; Russell, Janet
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Linda,
Thank you for your e-mail. I apologize for the urgency, but we are on the Board of Education agenda for award of the
contracts for construction on Tuesday, May 4th, and also on the City Council's agenda for re -zoning at Codington the
Jame night. I am reluctant to proceed with award of the contracts until we know for sure the mobiles will be allowed at
Parsley and Codington.
As much as I would like to utilize the express review process, the School System is not in a position financially to do So.
We must rely on the regular program for review. We will contact Ms. Johnson to schedule a meeting. If it is not possible
for us to meet before next Tuesday, I can request that these items be pulled from the agenda.
Thanks again for your help. Please let me know if there is anything we can do to help expedite the reviews
Thanks, Eddie

From: Lewis,Linda [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:49 AM
To: Wolf, Cindee; Scott, Georgette
Cc: Eddie Anderson; Eric Allen; [e-mail]; Johnson, Kelly; Russell, Janet
Subject: RE: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Cindee:
I was just on the verge of calling you. Thanks for the info. Before I schedule a meeting, I need to know if the
County is planning to utilize the Express program for the review and permitting of the proposed changes for
both projects. If you elect to use Express, please contact Ms. Janet Russell to schedule a scoping meeting with
the next available reviewer. If you will not be using Express, please contact Ms. Kelly Johnson to schedule a
meeting with her to discuss submitting these projects to the regular program.
Both of these project files are in the storage facility, so a meeting tomorrow may not be possible unless
someone is going to the storage facility today and can obtain those files. We must see the previously approved
plans in order to meet and accurately convey the direction you need to go in for permitting.
Because both projects claim to have less BUA after the addition of the mobile units than was permitted, a
detailed review and comparison of the approved plans to the proposed plans will need to be done to determine
where the differences are.
Pending a review of the approved plans, both of these will most likely just be plan revisions. In Express the fee
for each plan revision will be $500.00. There is no fee for a plan revision in the regular program. If the review
determines that a permit modification is needed, the Express fee for a high density permit mod for Codington,
will be $4000.00 and the Express fee for a low density permit mod for Parsley, is $2000.00. Both modifications
would be $505.00 each in the regular program.
Linda
Please note my new email address is [e-mail]
Linda Lewis
NC Division of Water Quality
127 Cardinal Drive Ext.
Wilmington, NC 28405
910-796-7215
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may
be disclosed to third parties.
From: Wolf, Cindee[mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:18 AM
To: Scott, Georgette; Lewis,Linda
Cc: Eddie Anderson; Eric Allen; [e-mail]
Subject: NHCo Schools - Modular Additions
Linda f georgette,
thought that these info files might be of help in explaining the projects. They each include:
Impervious Surfaces Exhibit
2006 Aerial Photo (School reps have verified that there have not been any changes since that time)
Existing Conditions Site Plan

Storm Permit(s)
We believe that the research shows that the addition of the proposed modulars causes no impact to the permitted totals of
impervious surfaces on either of the schools. In an attempt to facilitate the timing of tasks to begin the installation of the
new modulars, Eddie Anderson & Eric Allen, with NHCo Schools Facilities Dept., would appreciate the opportunity to meet
at your earliest convenience to discuss what, if anything, needs to done to meet the permit requirements for
documentation.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions or need additional information. Thanks for your assistance.
CINDEE WOLF
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Transmittal
June 8, 2010
To: Kelly Johnson
NCDENR — Division of Water Quality
From: Cindee Wolf
Re: Codington Elementary School
4321 Carolina Beach Road
Plan Revision to Permit #SW8 950401
Attached is a copy of the permit plan with delineation of the surfaces that were shown, but
were found not to have been installed — 9850 s.f. The permit allowed a total of 167,000 sf
of impervious area, but it is very unclear where the original engineer came up with the
breakdown of Buildings — 88,000 sf, Concrete — 4,000 sf & Asphalt — 75,000 sf for the
application.
Two (2) copies of the requested "Plan Revision" are attached. That plan shows the actual
breakdown of the existing surfaces and of the proposed addition of three (3) modular
classrooms & associated fixtures. The total of impervious surfaces is 166,961 sf, which
remains less than the 167,000 sf permitted.
Please let me know what other information, calculations and/or plans you need to approve
the revision. The school system greatly appreciates your assistance and cooperation in this
project.
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