20140679 Ver 1_Emails_20140627

Sullivan, Shelton
From: Brian Holt <bholt7l @gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:47 PM
To: Sullivan, Shelton
Subject: Re: shoreline stabilization DWR Project No 20140679
Thanks Shelton, I will send updated drawings tonight.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 9, 2014, at 4:36 PM, "Sullivan, Shelton" <[e-mail]> wrote:
Brian,
As per the Catawba Buffer Rules, http:/ /Catawba Buffer Rules:
Access trails through the buffer, less than 4 ft. in width, with no tree removal and no impervious surface
installed, are exempt and can be installed without approval from DWR.
If this access trail exceeds 4 feet in width, results in the removal of trees, or impervious surface is
added, then DWR can consider a trail access provided there are no practical alternatives.
A walkway from the dock to the steps is really not the intent of this rule. From the Catawba Buffer
Rules:
Use
Exempt
Allowable
Allowable
with
Mitigation
Access trails: Pedestrian access trails leading to the
surface water, docks, fishing piers, boat ramps and other
water dependent activities:
• Pedestrian access trails that are restricted to the
X
minimmn width practicable and do not exceed 4 feet in
width of buffer disturbance, and provided that installation
and use does not result in removal of trees as defined in
this Rule and no impervious surface is added to the riparian
buffer
• Pedestrian access trails that exceed 4 feet in width of
buffer disturbance, the installation or use results in removal
X
of trees as defined in this Rule or impervious surface is
added to the riparian buffer
As far as the steps go, if you can provide justification being greater than 4 ft. in width, please provide
that information. If you would like, you can forward information or pictures of the neighboring lots with
the 8 ft. stairs and we can research to see if they were permitted this way, installed prior to the Catawba
Buffer Rules, or installed without authorization.
Please provide an updated drawing to represent any changes to your plan and include any updated
impact amounts as well. Please send 1 copy of this information to my attention via email or...

If sending via US Postal Service
DWR -401 & Buffer Permitting Unit
1617 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699 -1617
Thank you,
Shelton Sullivan
401 & Buffer Permitting Unit
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From: Brian Holt [mailto:bholt7lCa)amail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:48 PM
To: Sullivan, Shelton
Subject: Re: shoreline stabilization DWR Project No 20140679
Thanks Shelton, I was basing the request on what apparently was approved recently for
neighboring homes as I am not familiar with the standards at that level of detail. They have
stairways that are approximately 8' wide at the bottom. Perhaps they were not permitted or the
standards have changed since both were recently completed.
If I construct the stairs at 4' width, am I allowed to have a connecting 4' wide paver walls form
the dock to the stairs. It would be approximately 6' long?
I will construct the stairs to the approved standard 4' width and remove the adjoining access area
of proposed stone if that is what is required for approval. Based on these changes will the
request be approved? If so, do you need me to send new drawings or will you pencil in the
changes?
If a copy of the standards is available I would be interested in reviewing them. As I stated earlier,
I am required to comply with different standards than other properties that have been completed
in the past year. If available, can you kindly forward me a copy?
Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Sullivan, Shelton <[e-mail]> wrote:

Dock access area: An access trail to the existing dock is an allowable use up to 4 ft. in width (measured
along 4 feet of shoreline). If greater than 4 ft., then a "no practical alternative" has to be
demonstrated. The access area with pavers or crushed stone does not satisfy "no practical
alternatives ".
Stone stairway: An access trail to the lake is an allowable use but up to 4 ft. in width (measured along 4
feet of shoreline). If this stairway is to be wider than 4 ft., then please explain why this is necessary to
satisfy "no practical alternatives ". Why can't the width of the stairs remain 4 ft. from the top down to
the bottom of the wall?
I will follow up with a letter if necessary including the above items.
Thank you,
Shelton Sullivan
401 & Buffer Permitting Unit
NCDENR I DMsion of grater Resources I grater Quality Permitting Section
1617 Mail Sei0ce Center, Raleigh, NC 27699 -1617
Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]
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From: Brian Holt [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 10:51 AM
To: Sullivan, Shelton
Subject: Re: shoreline stabilization DWR Project No 20140679
Importance: High
Hi Shelton,
Please see responses below.
1. Is the dock access area permissible if I change to a layer of loose crushed stone instead of
pavers to prevent erosion and allow the area to remain pervious to water? Otherwise I can
remove this feature.
2. I proposed steps up to 8' wide on the shore line; however, this was a maximum estimate. I
originally estimated 4 -5 steps at approximately 12" depth each so the maximum depth will be 6'.
I can adjust them to 6' wide at the base by 5' deep if necessary. The blocks are front to back so
they will have the same effect as a linear wall.
Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Sullivan, Shelton <shelton.sullivangncdenr.gov> wrote:

Brian,
From our earlier discussions, I told you I would send you an email after reviewing the application. There
are couple of questions that I have.
We have been reviewing your proposal but we cannot permit the dock access as proposed. The
Catawba Buffer Rules allow access trails to docks, boat ramps, etc. of greater than 4 ft. if
necessary but the proposed access is 18 ft. x 20 ft. and 18 ft. by 14 ft. Please explain the need
for this access area or explain how this can be minimized.
What are the are the dimensions of the stairs? I see the sq. footage is 48 sq. ft. but what is the
proposed length x width?
Thank you,
Shelton Su]li�Tan
401 & Buffer Permitting Unit
NCDENR I DMsion of grater Resources I grater Quality Permitting Section
1617 Mail Sei0ce Center, Raleigh, NC 27699 -1617
Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]
Email: shelton.sullivan @ncdenr.gov
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