20210224 Ver 1_Public Hearing Transcript_20220120

WEBVTT
1
00:00:00.895 --> 00:00:07.315
Then I would ask that you that everyone mute their phones and computers as a
courtesy to the speakers also.
2
00:00:07.315 --> 00:00:16.434
Forgive me if I mispronounce your name and my apologies in advance please remember
that this hearing and all comments will be recorded for the official record.
3
00:00:17.155 --> 00:00:30.175
You will have roughly 2 minutes after your name is called to make your public
comments, because of the volume of speakers that have Pre registered. I would like
to call this official public hearing to order. My name is Doug Gordon.
4
00:00:30.204 --> 00:00:39.414
I am the supervisor of the industrial permitting unit within North Carolina
division of water resources. I have been appointed to preside this hearing.
5
00:00:40.225 --> 00:00:40.825
Um,
6
00:00:41.005 --> 00:00:42.085
if you can't hear me,
7
00:00:42.115 --> 00:00:45.265
or if it's if there's interruptions go ahead and text,
8
00:00:45.265 --> 00:00:46.465
and I'll work on that,
9
00:00:46.465 --> 00:00:47.875
if there is a technical issue,
10
00:00:48.655 --> 00:00:52.314
if you are having technical difficulties with that back Webex,
11
00:00:52.645 --> 00:00:57.115
you can use a chat feature and Webex to ask questions or seek assistance,

12
00:00:57.594 --> 00:01:00.354
you can also view the public announcement for this hearing.
13
00:01:01.225 --> 00:01:11.814
Which is a link on the entry for this event, from the Department of environmental
qualities, public notices and hearings website for instructions on various ways to
connect to Webex.
14
00:01:12.025 --> 00:01:25.825
And for the Webex phone number and access code for this hearing, this public
hearing is being held in accordance with North Carolina administrative code. 15
8.02 H point 0 5. 0 3.
15
00:01:27.984 --> 00:01:28.525
F,
16
00:01:29.034 --> 00:01:30.924
the rules that govern public notice,
17
00:01:30.924 --> 00:01:32.935
and public hearing of 401 water quality certifications,
18
00:01:32.935 --> 00:01:36.775
the public notice of this proposed 41,
19
00:01:36.775 --> 00:01:36.954
water,
20
00:01:36.954 --> 00:01:37.765
quality certification,
21
00:01:37.765 --> 00:01:43.584
and public hearing was published on the North Carolina Department of natural
resources,
22
00:01:43.584 --> 00:01:44.515
public event calendar.

23
00:01:44.515 --> 00:01:52.015
It was also published on the North Carolina division of water resources website on
December, 16.
24
00:01:54.269 --> 00:01:59.969
2021 notice was also sent to members of the division of water resources.
25
00:02:00.355 --> 00:02:14.965
Rules listsery and wetlands list serve the purpose of tonight's hearing is to
obtain public comments on the proposed West Point residential development a written
record of these proceedings will be prepared by the hearing
26
00:02:14.965 --> 00:02:23.754
officer for this reason the audio of this hearing will be recorded the public
comment period for this hearing will remain open until 50 P.
27
00:02:23.754 --> 00:02:26.064
M on February 21st, 2022.
28
00:02:29.004 --> 00:02:42.655
Written comments received by that time will also be included as part of the
official record equal weight will be given to both written and oral comments.
Before we ask for comments from the public.
29
00:02:42.655 --> 00:02:47.965
I will ask Rick trunk from the division of water resources to make a presentation.
30
00:02:48.210 --> 00:02:52.469
Addressing the proposed temporary rules, Rick the floor is yours.
31
00:02:52.469 --> 00:03:03.120
You Doug um, will you let me know if you can see that screen.
32
00:03:04.289 --> 00:03:17.520
Yes, I can. Thank you. So, this is the public hearing for the project named as West
Point clean water act, section 401 water, quality, certification, and a new server
right? Period buffer authorization.
33
00:03:18.780 --> 00:03:31.740

Um, so, for 1 water, quality certification, so many projects that require clean
water act section 404, permit or section 10 permit from the core of engineers must
also receive a corresponding 41 water, quality certification.
34
00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:35.250
From the division of water resources for their permit to be valid.
35
00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:43.110
Um, in the section, 404 and 401 approvals are necessary for discharges, which are
also notice bill or impacts.
36
00:03:43.110 --> 00:03:50.280
2 waters of the U. S. and so for any application, the director of may determine
that it isn't the if it isn't the public.
37
00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:58.229
Interest to hold a public hearing to receive public comments and disinformation the
pros project that may happen. And that is, of course why we are here tonight.
38
00:03:59.610 --> 00:04:03.509
So, for the project West point, the project details.
39
00:04:03.509 --> 00:04:09.210
I'm going to go over briefly. Um, the applicant in this case is, uh, terra more
homes.
40
00:04:09.210 --> 00:04:16.410
And the applicant is responsible, or will be responsible for the design
construction and other associated requirements of their project.
41
00:04:18.540 --> 00:04:21.779
Um, some project details, the applicant stated.
42
00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:29.668
The purpose of the project, the purpose of this project is to construct a mixed use
single family and multi family, residential development.
43
00:04:29.668 --> 00:04:34.798
And it's necessary infrastructure, um, and the project description.

44
00:04:34.798 --> 00:04:42.538
Given by the applicant is the overall project project consists of construction of
the mixed use single family and multi family, residential development.
45
00:04:42.538 --> 00:04:47.098
Including, but not limited to road by infrastructure residential lots.
46
00:04:47.098 --> 00:04:53.819
Greenway, utilities, stormwater, control measures, uh, clubhouse and other
amenities.
47
00:04:53.819 --> 00:05:03.389
Specifically there was 1 road crossing that impact streams, wetlands and right.
Period buffers and to utility crossings that impact wetlands and buffers.
48
00:05:03.389 --> 00:05:08.098
An equipment typically used for this type of instruction and earth work.
49
00:05:08.098 --> 00:05:11.939
Such as back as bulldozers excavators graders.
50
00:05:11.939 --> 00:05:15.298
Papers et cetera will be utilized for this project.
51
00:05:16.468 --> 00:05:22.709
Um, the project details, as far as the, the proposed impacts are concerned, or what
I'm showing you here.
52
00:05:22.709 --> 00:05:27.809
So, there are permanent wetland impacts proposed and the original proposal.
53
00:05:27.809 --> 00:05:36.269
Um, had point 0187, acres of permanent loss and point 019 acres of a no permanent
loss or sometimes.
54
00:05:36.269 --> 00:05:40.619
Can be thought of as, uh, conversion, um.
55

00:05:40.619 --> 00:05:52.019
That was the original proposal, um, the current proposal, which is slightly
different, um, we're looking at point 104 acres of permanent loss of wetlands and
point 0, 1, 3 acres.
56
00:05:52.019 --> 00:06:02.759
Of no permanent loss, temporary stream impacts. Originally they propose their, um,
0 and now that has changed to, uh, 14 linear feet of temporary stream impacts.
57
00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:10.199
As far as permanent stream impacts the original proposals for 115 linear feet of
loss.
58
00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:22.829
And 34 linear feet of no loss and the current proposal is 89 linear feet loss and
52 linear feet of, uh, no US impact. Um, as far as the buffer impacts are
concerned.
59
00:06:22.829 --> 00:06:34.199
For permanent buffer impacts on the original proposal. It was 10,097 square feet in
buffer zone 1 and 4,591 square feet in zone. 2.
60
00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:41.699
And under the new, and or current proposal, that number is 8,776 square feet for
zone 1.
61
00:06:41.699 --> 00:06:46.019
And 6,985 fee for square feet for his own 2.
62
00:06:47.999 --> 00:06:53.009
So, project details, um, avoidance, optimization and mitigation.
63
00:06:53.009 --> 00:06:56.158
The applicant has proposed retaining walls.
64
00:06:56.158 --> 00:07:10.944
Be utilized to minimize stream impacts, um, the proposed road crossing, which is a
connection to roxborough road. The grade of the road is proposed to be as low as
reasonably possible to limit the amount of disturbance by keeping the fill slopes
as short as possible.

65
00:07:11.218 --> 00:07:19.528
Um, during the road construction, copper dams, and to pump around, will be used for
that work occurs in dry conditions and to prevent, um, sudden, it.
66
00:07:19.528 --> 00:07:34.468
Run off from entering, um, waters, um, the use of silk fencing and diversion
ditches is proposed and mitigation will be provided for an unavoidable losses of
wetlands by the purchase of private, um, mitigation bank credits.
67
00:07:36.569 --> 00:07:46.588
The water and water quality certification um, again, these are issued when the
division determines that the discharge 2 waters has avoided and minimize impacts to
surface waters.
68
00:07:46.588 --> 00:07:50.999
We will not cause or contribute to a violation of water quality standards.
69
00:07:50.999 --> 00:07:57.389
It does not result in secondary or cumulative impacts that cause or contribute to a
violation of water quality standards.
70
00:07:57.389 --> 00:08:02.459
And finally provides for a replacement of existing uses through mitigation.
71
00:08:05.129 --> 00:08:19.678
So, as, um, Doug mentioned, if you want to submit written comments, you may do that
and the deadlines, February 21st at 1159 PM. And this email link that's on the
screen is the preferred method to do that.
72
00:08:19.678 --> 00:08:23.788
We ask that you do include the project name and your subject line.
73
00:08:23.788 --> 00:08:29.579
And there's also an option to submit those comments by U S mail.
74
00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:35.188
So, I'll leave that up there for a few seconds. If anyone is wanting to copy that
down.
75

00:08:41.999 --> 00:08:45.839
Hey, Rick is up to me over to me now again.
76
00:08:47.578 --> 00:08:51.178
Yeah, it should be.
77
00:08:51.178 --> 00:08:56.639
Okay, thank you Rick. Um, that concludes the division of water resources
presentation.
78
00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:08.519
With his background information, let me discuss the schedule for this hearing this
evening. I will call speakers who were signed up to speak using the online form
when your name is called. Please.
79
00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:18.028
Use the raise your hand feature in the Webex, which is on your right hand side of
the screen. Right? But where it says participants at the bottom of that little
section.
80
00:09:18.028 --> 00:09:22.078
There's a raised hand to put your cursor over it. Um.
81
00:09:22.078 --> 00:09:32.369
Use that so that the host can more easily locate you to so that you'll be unmuted.
If you have joined the hearing by phone press star 3.
82
00:09:32.369 --> 00:09:35.519
To raise your hand, speak once.
83
00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:44.639
Called speak, one's called upon to do so, and press star 3 again to lower your
hand. If you join the hearing online.
84
00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.214
Press the hand icon to raise your hand,
85
00:09:47.453 --> 00:09:50.153
speak once called upon to do so,

86
00:09:50.364 --> 00:09:57.894
and press the hand icon again to lower your hand the Webex host will unmute each
speaker when it is,
87
00:09:58.134 --> 00:09:58.403
uh,
88
00:09:58.433 --> 00:10:00.203
his or her turn to speak.
89
00:10:00.533 --> 00:10:09.833
I will also state the name of the next speaker in the queue so that the individual
individual can be prepared when his or her name is called to speak.
90
00:10:10.109 --> 00:10:17.639
Please do not start speaking until the Webex host has indicated that your
microphone has been unmuted.
91
00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:27.509
If I call your name, but cannot hear you after you have been unmuted please check
to see if you are muted on the Webex screen on your computer.
92
00:10:27.509 --> 00:10:38.458
If you are having audio issues, try a different method of audio connection with
Webex or use the call me feature to have Webex call you personal telephone line.
93
00:10:38.458 --> 00:10:49.678
If I still cannot hear you, I will proceed to the next registered speaker, but
we'll call your name again at the end of the hearing. If there's time when your
name is called.
94
00:10:49.678 --> 00:10:56.849
Please clearly and slowly state your name and any affiliation with an organization.
You may be representing.
95
00:10:56.849 --> 00:11:01.163
We may question speakers if necessary to clarify,
96
00:11:01.193 --> 00:11:04.224

or learn more about matters as they raise their hand,
97
00:11:04.283 --> 00:11:15.714
or or is arise after all the registered speakers have had an opportunity to comment
any registered speaker who could not previously be heard will be called upon to
speak.
98
00:11:15.958 --> 00:11:21.839
Please remember, you may submit written comments until February 21st as.
99
00:11:21.839 --> 00:11:27.778
Uh, mentioned to address any additional concerns or comments that you may have.
100
00:11:28.104 --> 00:11:40.224
To ensure I hear from all who wish to speak. I request that. You limit your
speaking because of the volume of speakers to 2 minutes in length account down
won't be showing on the screen.
101
00:11:40.224 --> 00:11:54.653
When you start speaking, we appreciate your cooperation and complying with these
requests. I will call now on the 1st speaker, which I believe is Mr Preston roster
and I apologize if I mispronounce your name, sir?
102
00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:02.038
Mr. roster.
103
00:12:02.693 --> 00:12:11.783
Yes, sir. Good evening. My name is Preston roster and I'm a professional engineer
employed with in Durham.
104
00:12:12.474 --> 00:12:27.114
Um, I have an undergraduate masters degree in civil engineering from NC State
licensed to practice as a professional engineer in North Carolina since 2009
specialize in stormwater management. A residential subdivision design, and the
design of stone Bernie pipe and water and sewer infrastructure.
105
00:12:27.114 --> 00:12:31.553
We are the design engineers for the proposed West Point subdivision in Durham.
106
00:12:33.803 --> 00:12:48.474

The total area for this project is roughly 60 acres. The proposed subdivision
includes 382, residential, lots, the fire, public street network, and amenities
that include playgrounds, open spaces, and a multimodal trail that runs from the
South to the North and the site.
107
00:12:50.004 --> 00:13:04.884
In accordance with their own ordinance, the proposed layout meets all requirements
with regards to open space and tree coverage, approximately 12 acres of open space
and 6.6 acres of tree coverage are provided as a result of these requirements the
proposed and pervious surface on the site is roughly 39%.
108
00:13:06.448 --> 00:13:10.408
The project makes all local city stormwater ordinance.
109
00:13:10.553 --> 00:13:12.083
Requirements which include the files,
110
00:13:12.083 --> 00:13:12.203
like,
111
00:13:12.203 --> 00:13:13.104
stoma rules,
112
00:13:13.193 --> 00:13:23.874
which are implemented by these regulations are some of the most stringent in the
state and compliance these regulations includes reductions and peak runoff rate and
reductions in nutrient export loading,
113
00:13:24.203 --> 00:13:26.394
more specifically reductions in nitrogen,
114
00:13:26.423 --> 00:13:32.394
phosphorus and total spend to target these requirements are met with the
installation of 4 propose stormwater wheland.
115
00:13:32.698 --> 00:13:43.139
The proposed project will not result in floating in the adjacent residential
developments to the South as these areas are located at a higher elevation and the
proposed development and the proposed somewhere to discharge points.
116

00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:54.028
Um, in order to provide access to the site stream must be crossed is a stream on
the eastern side of the site traverses the entire eastern property line. So, the
Carlson is unavoidable.
117
00:13:54.028 --> 00:14:05.308
As mentioned in report, we did minimize a lot of these, a lot of the impacts
through his on and lastly the county's responsible forcing rose control.
118
00:14:05.308 --> 00:14:11.158
To date we have received approval from the county for erosion control, land
disturbance for this project.
119
00:14:12.778 --> 00:14:21.989
A11 right, thank you very much, sir the next speaker will be Jonathan Holt vet. Mr.
120
00:14:23.908 --> 00:14:31.769
Jonathan hope that can you, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Thanks, sir.
121
00:14:36.833 --> 00:14:42.953
A11 right, my name is John Holt, that I'm the entitlements manager for tier more
homes 1st off.
122
00:14:42.984 --> 00:14:54.714
Just want to thank and the citizens that are present tonight for allowing us the
opportunity to hear your comments and for us to provide you with additional
information about our proposed project.
123
00:14:55.224 --> 00:15:00.323
I'm a husband and father of a 2 year 2 and a half year old girl. And have another
baby girl on the way.
124
00:15:00.953 --> 00:15:14.543
I'm an avid endorsement and get most of my join life spending time with family and
friends, environmentally sensitive areas, including streams, creeks, reverse
wetlands, lakes, Marsha sound and the ocean.
125
00:15:15.173 --> 00:15:28.703
I have personally visited West point on the park with my family, enjoy the
historical structures height, the beautiful trails and swim and the historic sense
whole. It truly is a gym of North Carolina.

126
00:15:29.038 --> 00:15:32.399
The city of Durham and the river.
127
00:15:32.453 --> 00:15:37.793
Our company employs associates, and some of our consultants live work in play in
the Durham area.
128
00:15:38.303 --> 00:15:53.214
This is why it's especially important to myself and our team to make sure we're
hearing to all environmental regulations designing the site to have the least
amount of environmental impact in compliance with all city county
129
00:15:53.214 --> 00:15:53.783
state.
130
00:15:54.389 --> 00:16:09.323
And federal laws that govern water quality, as you've heard, from Preston, and
we'll hear from our consultants tonight, we have gone over and above and due
diligence design and preparation of the site to ensure we do not affect the
environment in a way.
131
00:16:09.323 --> 00:16:12.384
That is not in compliance with all governing bodies.
132
00:16:12.688 --> 00:16:22.528
It is my hope that the information provided this meeting from the, and from we'll
help clarify concerns with our proposed development.
133
00:16:22.528 --> 00:16:31.048
Thank you again and the citizens present here tonight for allowing us the
opportunity to present our project and hear your concerns.
134
00:16:31.048 --> 00:16:36.119
Thank you. Thank you, sir.
135
00:16:36.119 --> 00:16:40.918
Our next speaker is Kathleen Valenti.
136

00:16:43.073 --> 00:16:52.524
Yes, thank you. I am a resident of heart and hills, which is just south of the
black metro Ridge, and I am represented.
137
00:16:52.553 --> 00:16:52.703
Well,
138
00:16:52.703 --> 00:16:53.663
I'm not representing,
139
00:16:53.663 --> 00:16:59.844
but I am informed by the black meadow ridge protection organization,
140
00:17:00.083 --> 00:17:09.983
and I'm here tonight to speak my absolute objection to the development of the area
known as black metal ridge.
141
00:17:10.884 --> 00:17:25.074
I would refer you to the study that was done as part of the cap program in 2018.
we're in black matter, which was identified as a quote keystone property, because
it is a healthy right zone.
142
00:17:25.074 --> 00:17:37.044
It is a permeable area that prevents erosion. I also have hyped beautiful trails at
West point on the, you know, and have seen the level of erosion.
143
00:17:39.023 --> 00:17:53.483
In that area of the park, and I can only imagine how much that will become more
difficult to cope with as well as erosion of the banks of the river pollution of
the river.
144
00:17:53.483 --> 00:18:07.314
Because you don't have the same level of filtration in that permeable area when it
becomes impermeable with a huge amount of residences for a small acreage. So, I'm
speaking on behalf of nature.
145
00:18:07.344 --> 00:18:20.094
I'm speaking on behalf of the quality of life and air in and water in the city of
Durham, and I very much appreciate the opportunity to give my input. I've done it
in writing and I'll do it again.

146
00:18:20.334 --> 00:18:28.763
And I'm so happy that I finally have a chance to make a comment on this project,
which I objective wholeheartedly. Thank you.
147
00:18:30.898 --> 00:18:40.499
Thank you miss Valenti the next speaker is Janet steel and after her will be miss
Rosenthal.
148
00:18:40.499 --> 00:18:54.054
The steel yes, thank you. My name is Janet Steele and I am the president of the
homeowners association for Horton hills.
149
00:18:54.503 --> 00:19:04.584
Uh, I am representing a 198 homes, including the speaker before me. Um, all of her
points are are valid points as well.
150
00:19:04.584 --> 00:19:13.433
However, I want to add that Warren creek that runs, uh, in back of about 30 homes
already is flooded.
151
00:19:16.378 --> 00:19:29.038
And we, uh, really are concern with this development being built, uh, in higher
lands. And what calls us even additional flooding.
152
00:19:29.038 --> 00:19:33.598
Uh, the area that I'm talking about, I believe is called Warren creek.
153
00:19:33.598 --> 00:19:40.378
Um, I actually stay on Warren Street, so this is definitely my backyard.
154
00:19:40.378 --> 00:19:48.749
Um, I'm also concerned with the storm water treatment that does not seem to.
155
00:19:48.953 --> 00:20:03.713
Be, um, important in this, I think of red where they would not be able to treat the
storm water. And that is very concerning. Um, the other thing is the fact that.
156
00:20:03.959 --> 00:20:08.159
Before these plans were.

157
00:20:08.159 --> 00:20:16.019
Were approved, or I guess after no before, um, we also have a high school that's
now being built.
158
00:20:16.223 --> 00:20:19.463
And that is being built, and that cannot be stopped.
159
00:20:19.493 --> 00:20:27.084
And I think with the addition of these high density homes and the high school,
160
00:20:27.114 --> 00:20:30.294
I am really concerned with the,
161
00:20:30.324 --> 00:20:30.564
uh,
162
00:20:30.594 --> 00:20:35.693
emergency water supply for Durham city for this area.
163
00:20:35.999 --> 00:20:46.229
It is a great concern and also the natural areas of parks, um, and, um, nature as
well.
164
00:20:46.253 --> 00:21:00.443
Thank you. Okay. Uh, thank you. Miss steal. The next speaker is miss Rosenthal
followed by miss.
165
00:21:02.459 --> 00:21:07.138
Miss Rosenthal.
166
00:21:08.219 --> 00:21:17.098
Sherry zan Rosenthal are you there, man if you're, um, you may not be muted.
167
00:21:18.118 --> 00:21:31.048
I I do not see, I'm looking at the list here. It takes me a 2nd to scroll. I do not
see sherry on the list. There are several call in users, but none of them have
their hands up.

168
00:21:31.048 --> 00:21:36.419
Uh, okay, we'll come back to her if there's time later.
169
00:21:36.419 --> 00:21:42.628
So, we'll go to miss, uh, Gabrielle.
170
00:21:49.048 --> 00:21:53.308
The statement, and then fall by that Sheffield.
171
00:21:53.308 --> 00:21:59.909
Gabrielle deacon, Gabrielle, uh, is not on the list either.
172
00:21:59.909 --> 00:22:02.909
Okay, call on users have their hands up.
173
00:22:02.909 --> 00:22:06.778
We'll go to MS Jessica Sheffield.
174
00:22:06.778 --> 00:22:11.009
Jessica, you are unmuted now.
175
00:22:11.009 --> 00:22:14.189
Thank you. So you can hear me. All right.
176
00:22:14.723 --> 00:22:24.653
Yes, terrific. Thank you. My name is Jessica Sheffield and the executive director
for the ino river association and I am speaking tonight in my professional
capacity.
177
00:22:25.134 --> 00:22:26.663
We thank you for having the hearing,
178
00:22:26.933 --> 00:22:34.253
and we think those nearly 3500 members of the community who responded via email
already in opposition to this water quality certification application,
179
00:22:34.253 --> 00:22:36.294
for West Point development,

180
00:22:36.294 --> 00:22:38.544
these 3500 folks along with myself,
181
00:22:38.544 --> 00:22:43.253
and the river association membership do not believe the certificate should be
granted.
182
00:22:45.449 --> 00:22:50.368
It is not in the public best interest to build a high impervious project on this
site.
183
00:22:50.368 --> 00:22:53.788
The developer should not be permitted to cross a perennial creek.
184
00:22:53.788 --> 00:22:58.858
And it should not be granted while other concurrent challenges are underway against
this same proposal.
185
00:22:58.858 --> 00:23:06.898
Now, before considering their restructured and resubmitted application, which we
know will be submitted if this 1, it's denied.
186
00:23:06.898 --> 00:23:12.838
The developer should remove all roads stormwater management areas from regulated
stream buffers.
187
00:23:12.838 --> 00:23:21.148
And wetlands, all of the storm water must be appropriately treated, including that,
which comes from the necessary connection to roxborough road.
188
00:23:21.148 --> 00:23:31.888
There must be 100 foot buffers on perennial streams. This development is within the
protected area of the forthcoming tier Corey and river intake, water, supply
watershed.
189
00:23:31.888 --> 00:23:38.969
Is going to be an emergency backup supply of drinking water for the city of Durham.
This proposal should avoid all impacts.

190
00:23:38.969 --> 00:23:45.959
All impacts not thinking about how to mitigate them later. Please denied until that
can be proven.
191
00:23:45.959 --> 00:23:53.848
Now, you might be wondering why the universe Association, and its membership have
asked for your attention on this matter. Well, we're really stuck.
192
00:23:53.848 --> 00:24:00.028
We've tried to work with the developer to buy the property. We tried to work with
the developer to improve the site plan.
193
00:24:00.028 --> 00:24:11.638
These efforts have not yet been fruitful. Our history is embedded in this parcel on
the, you know, we help develop West point on the park, which is celebrating its
fiftieth birthday. This spring.
194
00:24:11.638 --> 00:24:18.628
It was in the same area that we stopped drive, which should have stopped this
development plan but somehow it slipped through.
195
00:24:18.628 --> 00:24:22.048
It's in your hands tonight and we hope you will deny it.
196
00:24:22.048 --> 00:24:28.108
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Michelle field.
197
00:24:28.108 --> 00:24:32.459
The next speaker is Dan.
198
00:24:32.459 --> 00:24:39.239
Followed by miss Susan subha that's.
199
00:24:39.239 --> 00:24:47.128
Semester? Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? Yes, it can. Thanks, sir.
200
00:24:48.653 --> 00:24:59.723
Great, thank you so much for having me this evening. I am a resident of North
Durham, and I am speaking tonight in opposition of this project.

201
00:25:00.233 --> 00:25:13.314
I moved to this area specifically in large part because of the, you know, and
because of dirhams commitment to caring for nature and the environment I work in
environmental education and environmental construction.
202
00:25:13.739 --> 00:25:20.759
And I chose Durham as my home in large part, because finding the balance between a
modern life in the environment is a core value of Durham.
203
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.388
And especially a core value around the email.
204
00:25:24.388 --> 00:25:36.388
As someone who works in public construction, I'm deeply aware of the strict
requirements that exist to protect our environment while building a drum those
requirements come with a logistical challenge and significantly higher costs at
times.
205
00:25:36.388 --> 00:25:42.628
But I also recognize that they're there for a reason a reason that's more important
than money and more important than a grow in tax base.
206
00:25:42.628 --> 00:25:46.769
They are in place to maintain a healthy present and a healthy future.
207
00:25:47.423 --> 00:25:54.653
This project should be rejected because of it's inconsistency with the city and
county land, use plans. It will be rejected because of the water quality standards.
208
00:25:54.953 --> 00:25:58.104
That no matter what assurances are made a project of this size,
209
00:25:58.104 --> 00:26:02.693
and this proximity to the email will not meet even if they're met during
construction,
210
00:26:03.084 --> 00:26:05.243
the 400 homes that will be occupied,

211
00:26:05.634 --> 00:26:08.064
will severely impact the,
212
00:26:08.094 --> 00:26:08.394
you know,
213
00:26:08.394 --> 00:26:12.894
in a negative way this project needs to be rejected because of the long term damage
to our environment,
214
00:26:12.894 --> 00:26:14.064
water and community.
215
00:26:14.909 --> 00:26:20.429
This project mostly needs to be rejected because the motto of North Carolina
translates to be.
216
00:26:20.429 --> 00:26:31.469
Rather than just seem the lack of integrity of this project, the potential for
irreversible damage to our environment in our future, makes it appear that we value
to seem more than we value to be.
217
00:26:31.469 --> 00:26:43.469
I want to live and raise my kids in a community where we can be, who we say we are
going to be, and I trust this body to make the decision that will enable that to
happen. Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak tonight.
218
00:26:43.469 --> 00:26:49.439
A11 right Thank you. Sir. Miss Susan swell.
219
00:26:49.439 --> 00:26:53.009
And then Joe Leslie.
220
00:26:53.009 --> 00:26:56.939
Well, Susan, so well.
221
00:27:00.838 --> 00:27:06.269
How about yeah, um, Susan is not on the on the list.

222
00:27:06.294 --> 00:27:16.314
Reminder on my end. I see there are several people who have called in. It looks
like just via telephone and they're not on the computer. I can't see your name when
you do that.
223
00:27:16.523 --> 00:27:22.913
That's why we ask if you were on the telephone and you get called on please press
star 3 on the phone to raise your hand. So I can see you.
224
00:27:23.189 --> 00:27:31.618
Okay, we'll try and come back to this as well. How about Joe? Leslie?
225
00:27:31.618 --> 00:27:34.798
Hi, Joe Leslie.
226
00:27:34.798 --> 00:27:38.759
Yes, I'm here. Okay you have the 4.
227
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.769
All right, thank you. Kindly. I'm a retired professional hydrologist.
228
00:27:43.769 --> 00:27:49.858
And since retirement, I've remained active with my former employer, the United
States Geological Survey.
229
00:27:49.858 --> 00:27:54.989
A scientist Americas, I'm also chair of the board of directors of the orange.
230
00:27:54.989 --> 00:27:58.318
Water and sewer authority commonly notice a loss.
231
00:27:58.318 --> 00:28:01.888
The water and sewer utility serving Chapel Hill and cargo.
232
00:28:01.888 --> 00:28:06.808
Tonight I am not speaking on behalf of the, or Alexa.
233
00:28:06.808 --> 00:28:14.729

I am speaking as a private citizen who has Hydro logic expertise and who cares
profoundly about protecting environmental health.
234
00:28:14.729 --> 00:28:18.058
As we deal with randy's change and climate change.
235
00:28:18.058 --> 00:28:22.138
The proposed site plan for the West Point development.
236
00:28:22.138 --> 00:28:26.909
Is altogether inconsistent with adopted city and county transportation.
237
00:28:26.909 --> 00:28:35.548
And land use plans it is for good reason that we have much stronger standards for
water quality than we did in 972.
238
00:28:35.548 --> 00:28:41.878
When the housing density for this site was approved, it is these modern standards
informed by science.
239
00:28:41.878 --> 00:28:46.048
To which the site punch site plan should be held accountable.
240
00:28:46.048 --> 00:28:51.088
I feel strongly that to protect water, quality and aquatic ecosystem health.
241
00:28:51.088 --> 00:28:57.689
The division of water resources should deny the application for the West Point
development on black metal, rich.
242
00:28:57.689 --> 00:29:04.618
At a minimum should require that the West Point development application be amended
as follows.
243
00:29:04.618 --> 00:29:09.328
1, all of the storm water from the site needs to be treated.
244
00:29:09.328 --> 00:29:14.489
To the site should be redesigned to remove all roads, homes and storm water.

245
00:29:14.489 --> 00:29:18.868
Management areas from regulated stream buffers streams.
246
00:29:18.868 --> 00:29:22.378
Or delineated wetland areas and 3.
247
00:29:22.378 --> 00:29:28.858
Since this development is occurring in the protected area of the proposed tier
query and river intake.
248
00:29:28.858 --> 00:29:34.618
Water supply watershed the developer should have to comply with all rent
regulations.
249
00:29:34.618 --> 00:29:37.858
Or intake, water, supply, watershed, protected areas.
250
00:29:37.858 --> 00:29:41.278
Including 100 foot buffers on on the streets.
251
00:29:41.278 --> 00:29:55.138
Thank you. Okay, thank you. Ma'am. The next speaker would be, uh, Irene mechanic.
Hold on. 3rd 13rd. Please, I believe. Um.
252
00:29:55.138 --> 00:29:59.398
Susan, so is calling user number 9.
253
00:29:59.398 --> 00:30:08.098
Oh, okay. I can I can go ahead and unmute her right now she's on mute, miss soul
and then we'll go back to MS. calf afterwards. Thank you.
254
00:30:09.689 --> 00:30:15.388
Hello actually, I want to apologize. I am a very good friend of MS.
255
00:30:15.388 --> 00:30:20.519
But I raised my hand briefly to speak, uh, simply to state that.
256

00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:30.689
I don't know if I'm the only person who tried to register to attend this webinar
only to never receive any information about how to join.
257
00:30:30.713 --> 00:30:40.344
I'm very lucky that we have excellent community list serves in the city and county
of Durham, and I was able through research to find a way to Lincoln to be on the
phone.
258
00:30:40.584 --> 00:30:46.733
I don't know how many other people who have joined by phone or in the same boat, or
if hopefully some of them had wanted to speak.
259
00:30:46.979 --> 00:31:01.733
But we're not given the opportunity, because they even though they registered, they
didn't receive information when I registered, I indicated that I did not wish to
speak. But I hope there will be an opportunity for a voice for those who might be
in the same predicament with myself.
260
00:31:01.884 --> 00:31:04.403
Thank you. But that's all right. Thank you. Ma'am. A11 right. Bye.
261
00:31:05.459 --> 00:31:09.838
The next speaker will be a miss calf.
262
00:31:09.838 --> 00:31:13.409
And then miss Cox arena calf.
263
00:31:16.288 --> 00:31:23.219
Okay, raise your hand miss calf or use the, um, star 3 on your phone I believe.
264
00:31:23.219 --> 00:31:31.288
Yeah, arena is not on the list and, uh, do not see any other calling users with
their hands up. Okay. Miss Cox Nancy Cox.
265
00:31:34.169 --> 00:31:37.348
Followed by Joanna Smith miss Cox.
266
00:31:41.548 --> 00:31:45.328
Okay, we will try it coming back to you later, man.

267
00:31:45.328 --> 00:31:50.068
How about, uh, join a Smith.
268
00:31:50.068 --> 00:31:54.929
Mr. Smith? You hear me yes, ma'am. You you have the floor. Thank you.
269
00:31:55.403 --> 00:32:10.134
Thank you, um, I'm a resident of the argon hills neighborhood that backs up to the
black meadow ridge and down to the West point of the email. I greatly appreciate my
fellow Durham citizens with incredible environmental knowledge.
270
00:32:10.163 --> 00:32:20.753
Um, who've been able to speak. My knowledge is more based on living here and
experiencing what the water run off looks like in this neighborhood when we get.
271
00:32:20.969 --> 00:32:34.439
I wouldn't even say substantial rain. If we get half an inch. Even today the water
run off, fills up greatly and it goes all the way down the creek that the neighbor
proposed neighborhood is going to cross and spreads out.
272
00:32:34.439 --> 00:32:37.439
A11 in the proposed development, it.
273
00:32:37.439 --> 00:32:50.878
We need that area to prevent flooding in our neighborhoods that are currently
existing as well as protection of our water quality as we go forward in protection
of the, you know, as a resource for our community and our.
274
00:32:51.743 --> 00:32:59.334
It's just a great resource to have black metal ridge. Has incredible trails still
an incredible water run off. Naturally.
275
00:32:59.364 --> 00:33:07.463
It's really diverts and does well, there's a lot of erosion, but it's contained and
vital, I think, to the health of the neighborhood surrounding.
276
00:33:07.673 --> 00:33:16.973
So, I'm speaking in opposition to this project and just wanted to give my personal
view living here near the West point of the, you know, and hope you will reject

this development. Thank you.
277
00:33:19.108 --> 00:33:25.919
A11 right, thank you very much. Ma'am. Our next speaker, Joseph English.
278
00:33:25.919 --> 00:33:31.288
Followed by Rob Lewinsky. Mr. English. Are you present tonight? Sir?
279
00:33:31.288 --> 00:33:35.009
Joseph English.
280
00:33:35.009 --> 00:33:38.278
Joseph is not on the list.
281
00:33:38.278 --> 00:33:42.209
And, um, no column users have their hands up.
282
00:33:42.209 --> 00:33:49.138
Okay, we will try back with you at the end if there's time sir how about Rob
Lewinsky?
283
00:33:51.358 --> 00:33:55.949
Mister lewinski followed by Chris.
284
00:33:55.949 --> 00:34:03.598
Rob lewinski and I'm also putting this in a chat box. The order of the speakers is
in advance.
285
00:34:03.598 --> 00:34:10.318
Okay, and it doesn't appear Mr lewinsky's with us right now we'll try you back
later. If there's time.
286
00:34:10.318 --> 00:34:16.798
Chris drops Chris drops. Are you with us this evening?
287
00:34:19.108 --> 00:34:24.778
How about this is on the list? Chris is on Chris. You were.
288

00:34:24.778 --> 00:34:28.318
Unmuted oh, thank you. Thanks, sir.
289
00:34:28.318 --> 00:34:31.498
Hello, my name is Chris and I'm a Durham resident.
290
00:34:31.498 --> 00:34:39.088
Like, other speaking, tonight, I'm concerned that any proposed development treat
all storm water and include no unavoidable. Impacts.
291
00:34:39.088 --> 00:34:44.458
The stream buffers or wetlands by any belt practices, including storm water,
control measures.
292
00:34:44.458 --> 00:34:48.418
But I'm going to focus my comment on the city of darren's request.
293
00:34:48.418 --> 00:34:53.159
Reclassify a segment of the river just downstream. It's your query.
294
00:34:53.159 --> 00:35:03.329
Has water supply 4, location of the new water intake will require a 1 half mile
critical area upstream and within the watershed of that intake.
295
00:35:03.329 --> 00:35:08.338
The proposed and a half mile critical area does not include the development.
296
00:35:08.338 --> 00:35:17.639
Propose subdivision development, but there are several questions that arise outside
of the critical area in the proposed protected area.
297
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:26.188
1st, if the river intake for the tier quarry, water supply will require 100 foot
buffers on perennial streams as required by Durham.
298
00:35:26.188 --> 00:35:31.889
Would the proposed 50 foot stream buffers on perennial streams in this site plan be
allowed?
299

00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:45.119
Seems to me that they should not secondly, as for project density, according to NC
administrative code, the water supply watershed for protected area. High density
option allows for 70%.
300
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.179
Built upon area for developed sites.
301
00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:53.398
70% impervious cover is not the same as 70 built upon area.
302
00:35:53.398 --> 00:35:59.878
So, can 70% impervious cover, which requires a built upon area greater than 70% be
allowed?
303
00:35:59.878 --> 00:36:03.028
In the water supply for protected area.
304
00:36:03.028 --> 00:36:13.949
Next code states that a maximum of 10% of the land area of a water supply watershed
outside the critical area, but within the local Government's planning jurisdiction.
305
00:36:13.949 --> 00:36:17.338
May be develop with new development projects and expansions.
306
00:36:17.338 --> 00:36:21.748
Of existing development up to 7570% built upon area.
307
00:36:21.748 --> 00:36:34.708
So, with this development, and then the new northern high school, or any other
upcoming developments in the watershed, surpass this 10% limit, and then cause us a
major problem by precluding the city's application.
308
00:36:34.708 --> 00:36:40.048
Or that intake, that is a really important question that BW are in the city.
309
00:36:40.048 --> 00:36:44.219
Need to resolve before, allowing this process this project to move forward.
310

00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:57.148
All righty, thank you very much, sir. The next speaker speaker would be Deborah.
Loo, then followed by Francis.
311
00:36:58.768 --> 00:37:07.168
Deborah loo, uh, we have a bit of an unusual issue here. Um.
312
00:37:07.168 --> 00:37:17.309
There was a person on here, Mary Sue who we just allowed to speak a couple minutes
ago and I got a message from Marisol saying that.
313
00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:25.498
Someone else was on her computer speaking in her name, and that the Susan's school
who registered did not actually get a chance to speak.
314
00:37:25.498 --> 00:37:28.829
And there was some confusion there.
315
00:37:29.123 --> 00:37:42.833
I don't know. Shall we unmute Mary Sue? Yeah, we can go back to this field. We'll
go ahead and get her in and the person before identify yourself as a friend that
misfill and was upset.
316
00:37:42.864 --> 00:37:47.273
Our expressed your concern that she did not get a response to panelists.
317
00:37:47.489 --> 00:37:51.719
So, we'll go with. Okay, so.
318
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:59.188
I have no idea who that was speaking and they're not here with me. I think they got
unmuted accidentally or something. I don't know. So.
319
00:37:59.188 --> 00:38:09.208
Um, I just wanna, I'm speaking, um, as a volunteer for the rubber Association, and
for the thousands and thousands of hours volunteers. Um.
320
00:38:09.208 --> 00:38:13.650
Have, uh, contributed in order to protect that, you know, river.

321
00:38:13.650 --> 00:38:18.840
Um, 1st, in protecting, uh, to stop the, the, you know, drive, uh.
322
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:23.309
And then building up the, um, protection all along the river.
323
00:38:23.309 --> 00:38:33.030
So, we live all over the place, um, not just right around this and are affected by
this, because our volunteer hours are impacted and all the effects that we have
done.
324
00:38:33.030 --> 00:38:42.480
We also represent the voice of the many, many citizens of Durham that helped work
to get that, you know, drive off the development books.
325
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:51.210
And that 1 in our city council that 1 at the state level, and it clearly is the
voice of the city of Durham that we wish.
326
00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:57.719
To have this, uh, river protected. So that's all I wish to say thank you. Thanks
for letting me speak by my.
327
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:07.739
No problem, thank you. Ma'am. Sorry about that. Um, the next speaker would be
Deborah Lou L ICU followed by Francis.
328
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:13.889
Ms. Lou Deborah loo. Okay. Hearing no response.
329
00:39:13.889 --> 00:39:22.619
We'll come back to her if we have time. How about Francis or next after that? Paul
B**.
330
00:39:24.059 --> 00:39:27.659
Hello.
331
00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:32.849
Francis, okay. It's another 1. we'll come back to.

332
00:39:32.849 --> 00:39:35.909
How about Paul?
333
00:39:35.909 --> 00:39:39.539
Bonner Mister banner.
334
00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:44.400
I do not see either of those to same numbers. Yeah.
335
00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:48.690
Okay, thanks, sir. Uh.
336
00:39:48.690 --> 00:39:54.329
toyeah Hardy toyeah Hardy than Leo cruise.
337
00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:01.530
Toy Hardy then Leo Cruz.
338
00:40:01.530 --> 00:40:07.889
How about, uh, so no response from.
339
00:40:07.889 --> 00:40:12.719
We'll try coming back to her Leo Cruz followed by Hunter Walton.
340
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:24.840
Mister crews hearing no response. We'll try back to him later. How about Leo Cruz?
341
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:35.429
I'm sorry, that's the 1. I was going to say, Erin no response from. Mr. Cruz will
go to Mr. Walton hunter Walton followed by amber grown.
342
00:40:35.429 --> 00:40:39.480
G. R. E. U. any hunter Walton.
343
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:47.519
Hearing no response from Mr. Walton.

344
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.210
Amber grown followed by J. Williams miss.
345
00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:59.369
Hearing no response. Oh, sorry.
346
00:40:59.369 --> 00:41:02.519
Amerigroup is on the list amber you are now unmuted.
347
00:41:04.885 --> 00:41:08.063
Thank you and thank you for having this public hearing.
348
00:41:08.094 --> 00:41:22.375
I'm speaking as a resident of Durham, um, and just, you know, really appreciate our
natural resources here, including the river, uh, take advantage as much as
possible.
349
00:41:22.434 --> 00:41:31.045
Um, and I think it's, it's really unique to the city of Durham that we have that
resource. So I'm speaking in opposition to this development as well.
350
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:39.179
I understand, you know, that, that the regulators have to work within limits.
351
00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:51.929
You know, I've read that the downstream flooding will not be impacted by this
development and development is meeting on the stormwater standards. Um, but.
352
00:41:51.929 --> 00:41:58.440
Yeah, as as I can't remember her name we spoke before, but the hydrologist
mentioned, you know, the, all these.
353
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:08.010
Flood models and stormwater models and rainfall models are are getting outdated.
So, take those with a grain of salt and it also.
354
00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:16.829
You know, and the language that Rick drone shared at the beginning about the 404
and 400 permitting, um.

355
00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:22.019
You know, the, the term unavoidable impact to me. Um.
356
00:42:22.019 --> 00:42:29.579
Things kind of, uh, I don't know unreasonable. I mean, this this is an avoidable
impact. We don't have to.
357
00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:34.050
To install this development and it also seems.
358
00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:41.969
The language in those permits that say, you know, we need to avoid and minimize
impacts the surface waters.
359
00:42:41.969 --> 00:42:45.059
I would encourage the regulators to.
360
00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:48.300
To use that kind of subjective.
361
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:54.090
Language and their consideration of avoiding impacts to.
362
00:42:54.090 --> 00:43:05.250
To our versus natural resources and and really yeah. Permanent impacts to the, to
the buffers in the stream are unacceptable. So thank you.
363
00:43:05.250 --> 00:43:14.010
Thank you MS. our next speaker will be J Williams fault by Carl Whitney.
364
00:43:14.010 --> 00:43:19.170
Mr. Williams? J. Williams. Are you present tonight?
365
00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:22.199
Mr. Williams?
366
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.280

Going once I will try back to you later, sir.
367
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.340
How about Carl Whitney and then Richard Stern.
368
00:43:30.809 --> 00:43:36.599
Carl Whitney. Are you present tonight? Sir? Carl Whitney.
369
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.380
I will try you back in a bit.
370
00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:44.820
Mr. Richard stern followed by Deborah Edwards. Shirley.
371
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:49.619
Mr. stern? Richard Stern.
372
00:43:52.139 --> 00:44:00.929
Richard Stern. Oh, okay. We'll try you back in a bit, sir. How about Deborah
Edwards? Surely followed by Kimberly Hernandez.
373
00:44:00.929 --> 00:44:04.710
Miss surely.
374
00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:08.940
Is that you, man? You hear me? Yes, ma'am.
375
00:44:09.204 --> 00:44:22.105
Hi, my name is Deborah Shirley, and I worked for a social and environmental
consultants has been working on this project since 2018 and I'm here to summarize
work on this project and detailed project information.
376
00:44:22.105 --> 00:44:26.244
Sbc was contracted to complete a wetland stream.
377
00:44:27.690 --> 00:44:31.199
A new sugar repair and buffer delineation for the entire property.
378

00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:42.119
The U. S Army Corps of engineers field verified wetlands and streams on the
property on May 1st, 2019, but the follow up concurrence from the core on April 28
2021.
379
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:53.400
Then the North division of water resources conducted the surface water
determination on May 22,019 confirming stream and open water features potentially
subject to the new sugar of pairing buffers.
380
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:58.949
was contracted to prepare and submit an environmental review request to the North
Carolina state.
381
00:44:58.949 --> 00:45:06.389
Historic Preservation office, the North Carolina State Historic president. Excuse
me? Preservation office.
382
00:45:06.389 --> 00:45:20.244
Provided a response that are indicating that they had conducted a review of the
project and were aware of no historic resources, which would be affected by the
project. Therefore, they had no comment on the project as proposed. Sdc was also
contracted to prepare and submit a threatened.
383
00:45:20.244 --> 00:45:24.025
And endangered species report, the U. S official wildlife services.
384
00:45:24.235 --> 00:45:37.315
Requesting concurrence to our species conclusions and endangered species act,
section, 7 and eagle act determinations us, fish and wildlife provided an email
response, indicating that they concurred with our determinations.
385
00:45:37.914 --> 00:45:40.824
Sbc was also contracted by the applicant draft.
386
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:48.000
And submit a preconstruction notification application to the U. S Army Corps of
engineers and the North line division water resource for this project.
387
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.559
After the review of the proposed impact for the project, as concluded.

388
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:58.380
That the project was eligible for an April, 29 and water quality general
certification 4,256.
389
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:04.769
And then I'll propose new server or buffer impacts or either deemed allowable or
allowable upon authorization.
390
00:46:04.769 --> 00:46:10.559
Total juror, social streams on site are proxy 1984 linear feet.
391
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.969
And total jurisdiction, the wetlands on site are proxy point 3, 4 acres.
392
00:46:14.969 --> 00:46:22.349
The total proposed current loss stream impacts include 80 nonlinear feet, which is
less than 5% of the total streams on the property.
393
00:46:22.349 --> 00:46:28.769
A total permanent loss wetlands include a little over 10th of an acre, which is
approximately 30% of wetlands on the property.
394
00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:41.849
Proposed impacts have been designed to avoid minimize streams, wetland and buffer
impacts by utilizing head walls wing walls and crossing the stream at a near
perfect perpendicular angle. The project implies with 100 foot buffers along the
perennial strange.
395
00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:52.710
All right, thank you, ma'am. And I saw in the chat box that miss toy Hardy.
396
00:46:52.710 --> 00:46:59.309
Is ready to speak miss Hardy.
397
00:47:03.329 --> 00:47:08.940
Okay, I'm going to move back to the sequence we were in and someone asked is it is
it.
398

00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:17.610
I guess basically is a common for to have people who sign up or don't speak. Yes,
it is. Um, back to the order, uh, Kimberly and Hernandez and then.
399
00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:23.280
Suzanne Colin Susan Cohen or Kimberly Hernandez.
400
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.820
Mr. Fernandez?
401
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:32.789
Okay, Susan colon followed by Jennifer.
402
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:46.525
Susan Cohen? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. Oh, thank you. So, I've lived in
Durham for over 40 years, and I feel that the, you know, river is 1 of the most
attractive aspects of life in Durham.
403
00:47:46.824 --> 00:47:51.324
My children grew up growing to the email for hikes, camp school trips dates.
404
00:47:51.599 --> 00:48:06.449
Family picnics, overnight, camping and the wonderful Dina festival I've performed
at the festival through the years. I've had many of the trails on the, you know,
I've seen over these years much erosion many many.
405
00:48:06.449 --> 00:48:20.664
Floods of the ino river I feel very strongly that the division of water resources
should deny the application of this development construction of the proposed West
Point development with clear cut and demolish over 54 acres of trees and vegetation
406
00:48:20.664 --> 00:48:25.434
then blast and grade the rocky granite areas of black matter Ridge,
407
00:48:25.434 --> 00:48:28.255
which overlooks the inner river and West Point park.
408
00:48:29.070 --> 00:48:39.690
West Point part being 1 of the jewels of Durham, the forest ecosystem will be
replaced with large areas of hard services like roadway, sidewalks and rooftops.

409
00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:44.755
So that store more to run off during heavy rains could end up in creeks that feed
the Eno river.
410
00:48:45.295 --> 00:48:45.775
Um,
411
00:48:45.804 --> 00:48:53.364
the current storm water management planning is based on data that doesn't take
climate change into account flooding in the park,
412
00:48:53.394 --> 00:49:00.954
which I've seen a lot of over 40 years is likely to become worse and could affect
the water quality of the river.
413
00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:09.360
And we know it can degrade the keyword that flows into falls lake, which we all
know, is an important water source source.
414
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:17.219
For this area, um, the cities recently approved critical areas protection plan,
identifies the site as a keystone parcel.
415
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:23.730
That should be protected. We have much stronger standards for water, quality,
quality and environmental.
416
00:49:23.730 --> 00:49:38.454
Preservation today to which the site plan should be held accountable, please deny
this application for this development. And I didn't even realize about the impact
of the new northern high school. So I couldn't agree more.
417
00:49:38.789 --> 00:49:42.929
With the people from the river Association, um.
418
00:49:42.929 --> 00:49:45.929
Thank you very much for this opportunity.
419

00:49:45.929 --> 00:49:50.489
Thank you, ma'am. Our next speaker.
420
00:49:50.489 --> 00:49:53.789
Jennifer followed by Billy Dee.
421
00:49:53.789 --> 00:49:57.449
Jennifer and Y. G. A. R. D.
422
00:49:57.449 --> 00:50:02.369
Okay, you have the floor, ma'am Thank you. Yes. Can you hear me.
423
00:50:03.659 --> 00:50:07.349
Can you hear me now? Yes, ma'am. Sorry. A11 right.
424
00:50:07.349 --> 00:50:20.335
In in 965 early effort began to preserve the river. The association began to work
to create a state park on the, the city recognized their role in saving park land
on the river in Durham county. This effort.
425
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:28.860
At West point on the Eto consecutive with the saving of the state park.
426
00:50:28.885 --> 00:50:38.784
As a whole part of the whole was carried out with state and city planners. The most
prominent planner involved was Pearson Stewart head of the Research Triangle
planning commission.
427
00:50:39.025 --> 00:50:53.664
The parklands were considered vital to the planning for the future of our region,
the public benefit of protecting and preserving the river for its history and it's
rare flora and fauna was recognized to be the benefit greater than an earlier plan
to D*** the river.
428
00:50:53.905 --> 00:50:56.574
Furthermore, this plan was made mindful.
429
00:50:56.909 --> 00:51:08.695
Of those of us who are here today by people who are long God who I now represent
who realize that we would be living in a megalopolis as the triangle closed in with

a dense population.
430
00:51:08.905 --> 00:51:23.875
The megalopolis, my mother, Margaret, and I guard and Pearson Stewart acted to
address by saving green space was expected to be here in 50 years. And now it is
here that was not only saved for us alone as a wild river.
431
00:51:23.934 --> 00:51:26.244
But for future generations.
432
00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:38.605
We now enjoy the benefits of a protected river, clean watershed. The topography of
the river valley kept natural plants and animals protected in a large green space.
That remains fragile.
433
00:51:38.664 --> 00:51:52.974
Is cities converge West point like, the rest of the, you know, was preserved to be
green space to be natural parkland with an historic focus. That is what the ego is
to the 1000 to try it today and it's done so for the past 50, 50 years.
434
00:51:53.394 --> 00:52:05.724
And that is what the is to the 1000 to continue to enjoy their drinking water from
false lake at some distance away in Raleigh all this was a well made precedent plan
for the region, which did not happen easily.
435
00:52:06.144 --> 00:52:17.394
The 1st, environmental impact statement, utilized in North Carolina was issued by
national authorities to save West point from a high rise office development. I will
have to finish my.
436
00:52:17.724 --> 00:52:32.514
My what I have to say is so long that I will have to submit it in writing, but I
hope everyone will read it. The middle lies directly in the path of black meadow
branch, and that ML was worked on 1 by 1 of the most top ml rights on the planet.
437
00:52:32.545 --> 00:52:39.324
At the time. West Point is a tool, and it will be horribly damaged for this
development. Thank you.
438
00:52:39.570 --> 00:52:43.889
All right, thank you. Ma'am. Our next speaker.

439
00:52:43.889 --> 00:52:47.579
I get my list to come back up, uh, Billy Dee.
440
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:51.989
Followed by Laura parallel meal.
441
00:52:51.989 --> 00:52:57.059
J. R. A. M. I. L. L. L. and then Laura.
442
00:52:57.059 --> 00:53:02.039
Hello Neil Billy. D.
443
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.239
Okay, we will try you back in a bit Laura.
444
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:14.099
Harold, Neil. Jay are hey, can you hear okay you're
Thank you. Your up. Thank you.
445
00:53:14.099 --> 00:53:14.639
Hi,
446
00:53:15.025 --> 00:53:16.195
my name is Laura,
447
00:53:16.195 --> 00:53:19.914
and I'm a local writer who lives in Oregon Hill,
448
00:53:19.914 --> 00:53:24.594
which quarters proposed development and,
449
00:53:24.625 --> 00:53:25.164
uh,
up,
450
00:53:25.344 --> 00:53:30.505
aside from the many environmental regulatory concerns,
man? Yes, I can. Okay.

451
00:53:31.224 --> 00:53:34.195
I testify as someone who.
452
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.130
Uh, owns property in a neighborhood that would be.
453
00:53:38.425 --> 00:53:50.605
Really detrimental affected by even 1 more inch of water. Um, coming from
consulting from increased heart escaping and the new development.
454
00:53:51.114 --> 00:53:55.945
My husband and I bought our property in September.
455
00:53:56.219 --> 00:54:00.869
2020 and.
456
00:54:00.869 --> 00:54:15.449
Since we, within the 1st, 3 or 4 months of moving in, we realized that there was a
very severe flooding problem, uh, in our front yard. Every time it rained and that
essentially all of the neighbors, all of.
457
00:54:15.449 --> 00:54:25.409
Our neighbor's water that was flowing through the neighborhood was accumulating in
our front yard and so we had to have a.
458
00:54:25.409 --> 00:54:28.554
A drainage system built,
459
00:54:28.585 --> 00:54:30.414
and once that was built,
460
00:54:30.445 --> 00:54:39.505
it actually did not help and we then had to have the same company come and build an
even more complex,
461
00:54:39.744 --> 00:54:40.885
drainage system.
462

00:54:40.914 --> 00:54:43.614
And even with that drainage system in place.
463
00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:53.309
Every time it rains, we're completely flooded. We can't walk in front of our house
and then worse when it snows then that.
464
00:54:53.309 --> 00:54:59.010
Kind of lake of water in our front yard turns into a frozen pond. Um.
465
00:54:59.010 --> 00:55:13.110
All told so far we've spent 3000 dollars dealing with the drainage issue, but we
will obviously continue to have to even without this development. So, this
development puts a huge.
466
00:55:13.110 --> 00:55:25.980
Environmental and financial stress on residents of North Dora want to preserve
North Durham as a beautiful wood wooded place. That's full of animals in nature.
Thank you.
467
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:35.940
All right, thank you very much. Ma'am. Our next speaker will be Ryan. Lou, followed
by Julia Thomson.
468
00:55:36.054 --> 00:55:45.474
Mr. bill. Ryan? Whoa. Whoa. I'm a hello. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes, I
can. Yes again. Okay.
469
00:55:45.985 --> 00:55:55.164
So full disclosure I am, uh, Laura Harvey as husband and we, we, uh, we live in
Oregon hills.
470
00:55:55.409 --> 00:55:59.639
The neighborhood that's probably, I think the closest to this development.
471
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:11.340
Um, and I think the, our, the front line is flooded right now. So, I mean, this
isn't even really that much that much rainfall, but we're sort of at the, at the,
at the bottom of, uh, of a, um.
472

00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:19.500
Kind of like, you know, where, where a bunch of like the water the rainwater
collects. Um, and.
473
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:23.340
Anyway, I just wanted to, uh, I wanted to, um.
474
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:32.065
Um, repeats support for everybody who's spoken on behalf of, uh, the black meadow,
rich Association, and the, you know, river Association.
475
00:56:32.635 --> 00:56:38.605
Um, I just, uh, basically, I mean, it just seems seems to me, uh.
476
00:56:38.909 --> 00:56:42.420
Kind of absurd that all of this.
477
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:50.849
Oh, this is based on such outdated, uh, outdated plans that don't even take into
account concurrent developments in the, in the area.
478
00:56:50.849 --> 00:56:59.730
I think the drinking water and the public lands at the, at the, you know, river
park.
479
00:56:59.905 --> 00:57:04.405
Represents or should be top priorities of the city and call upon,
480
00:57:04.405
say,
--> 00:57:04.614
481
00:57:04.614 --> 00:57:16.014
officials to do what has to be done to serve their serve their citizenry who I
think this this hearing shows are overwhelmingly opposed to this to this
development proposal.
482
00:57:16.525 --> 00:57:16.945
Thank you.
483

00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:21.929
All right, thank you very much, sir.
484
00:57:21.929 --> 00:57:26.280
Our next speaker, Joey Thompson followed by Keith brown.
485
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:30.119
Joey Thompson are you present today?
486
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:33.449
Joey Thompson.
487
00:57:33.449 --> 00:57:38.940
How we'll try coming back to you, Keith brown fall by John Bob Chapman.
488
00:57:38.940 --> 00:57:44.309
Keith brown? Hello? Can you hear me?
489
00:57:44.309 --> 00:57:50.969
Yes, I can. Is this Mr brown? Yeah. So Keith brown you up? Yeah. Yeah the floor
sir.
490
00:57:50.969 --> 00:57:55.260
Thank you I'm owner of the property a known for.
491
00:57:55.260 --> 00:58:00.300
Cartridge point LLC and I've been resident of Durham.
492
00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:06.659
I was there in 965 and spent youth actually on this property.
493
00:58:06.659 --> 00:58:10.860
And around it, running on the river, lived in Oregon hills.
494
00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:15.030
Myself with my parents, a Mr and Mr brown.
495
00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:22.139

The past rate not so recently back about 5 years ago.
496
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:26.159
This is a plan that has been approved by the city.
497
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.840
They've been through the diligence I'm making sure that it is a good plan.
498
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:43.139
Uh, is close to the park, which is a good thing for residents, being able to live
at the park, enjoy the park should be open to those. Like, it was for me as a
youth.
499
00:58:43.139 --> 00:58:54.360
And it is entry level housing, which is also a good thing for the city of Durham to
have more housing. There's not much housing available, especially in the northern
part of Durham.
500
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:59.190
I think that it should be done. So there's 4,000 acres though.
501
00:58:59.190 --> 00:59:06.360
Of a state park, 400 acres of city park. This is 60 acres.
502
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:11.969
Of land that is adjacent to the park area, which is good for.
503
00:59:11.969 --> 00:59:17.670
Those who might be able to enjoy that I have made discussions and.
504
00:59:17.965 --> 00:59:32.155
Offered an open discussion with those with river association in the past, and even
had it up where they were able to buy it in 2009 and they even put a contract on it
with them.
505
00:59:33.869 --> 00:59:40.619
And they were unable to raise the money and actually let that contract go.
506
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:48.690

And I have had conversations at the same with others, and I want you to know that.
507
00:59:48.690 --> 00:59:56.369
We think this is a very good development. It is the rights of the land owner to do.
So, and I present that accordingly.
508
00:59:57.809 --> 01:00:04.289
All right, thank you very much. Sir. The next speaker I'm going to call in is Bob
Chapman.
509
01:00:04.289 --> 01:00:07.679
Followed by Bob.
510
01:00:09.179 --> 01:00:14.099
Chapman Bob chat, man.
511
01:00:15.210 --> 01:00:19.019
I will try you back a little later if we have time.
512
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:22.500
Bob's followed by running northhub.
513
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:33.690
Or Vicky? Yes, yes, I'm here. Um, I'm with so on environmental consultants and
involved with the, uh, environmental compliance for the project.
514
01:00:33.690 --> 01:00:37.829
Oversee compliance I used to work with the division.
515
01:00:37.829 --> 01:00:45.059
Of water quality back in the day as well. Um, so I can just want to say briefly
that, you know, these, these clients are.
516
01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:52.289
Doing everything over and above what they need to do to be in compliance with the
regulations.
517
01:00:52.289 --> 01:00:56.760
And I'll just leave it at that. Thank you.

518
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:08.519
Say, uh, thank you, sir. How about Ronnie North them followed by Christina Benson?
519
01:01:10.110 --> 01:01:16.260
Ronnie northhub yes, I raised my hand. Are you able to hear me? Yes, I, I can you
have a forester?
520
01:01:16.260 --> 01:01:24.539
Great good evening. Everyone my name is Ronnie north of junior. I'm pastor of faith
community church, international.
521
01:01:24.539 --> 01:01:28.469
I've lived in term for 24 years.
522
01:01:28.469 --> 01:01:33.000
24 years our church, a community church has been.
523
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:36.989
Adjacent to email to email river.
524
01:01:36.989 --> 01:01:44.070
We currently adjacent to the, you know, river, all roxborough row. Um.
525
01:01:44.070 --> 01:01:56.250
Uh, you know, part, um, I, I think when I look at everything that's happening and
looking at the fact that our church is is is really adjacent really close to the
whole process that we're discussing tonight.
526
01:01:56.250 --> 01:02:02.550
It is a priority when you consider parks a priority with people.
527
01:02:02.550 --> 01:02:06.150
Um, I want to suggest.
528
01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:13.050
That that the, the fact that this residential area is being built proximity of the.
529

01:02:13.050 --> 01:02:23.639
It brings a positive impact to the part. 1 of the things I have noticed as being
there 24 years that that somewhat the interest has decreased.
530
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:27.869
Concerning the love and appreciation for the park.
531
01:02:27.869 --> 01:02:31.949
And so I believe that this residential area would not impact.
532
01:02:31.949 --> 01:02:39.420
The park in a negative way in nature in a negative way, but I believe that it would
generate new families.
533
01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:52.530
New couples, new children, it will create generational interest for passion, uh,
for the part. And so what happens is everyone that's online tonight.
534
01:02:52.530 --> 01:03:03.690
Would would the passion and the protection and the care for this part would
increase. I want to also say that I trust the the scientific process.
535
01:03:03.690 --> 01:03:09.750
Of the city, um, the, the development of this residential area is going to.
536
01:03:09.750 --> 01:03:21.744
Uh, bring new technology and upgrades to some of the concerns and so I want to
voice my general support for the project. I believe it's progressive.
537
01:03:22.045 --> 01:03:30.625
I believe curates opportunities, I believe as a game changer, and I believe it
matches and parallels the growth of the city of Durham.
538
01:03:30.900 --> 01:03:34.559
And that's what I like to share tonight.
539
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:42.119
All right, thank you very much sir. The next speaker I'm going to call on is
Christina Benson, and then heath tunnel

540
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:47.460
Christina Benson hi. Can you hear me.
541
01:03:47.460 --> 01:04:01.284
Yes, I can, and you have the form, ma'am Thank you so much for letting me speak and
I appreciate the MR Brown was here to speak we, as the community have done some due
diligence investigation of Mr.
542
01:04:01.284 --> 01:04:03.025
Brown's previous developments,
543
01:04:03.025 --> 01:04:04.105
his prior companies,
544
01:04:04.105 --> 01:04:05.664
such as sun forest systems,
545
01:04:05.965 --> 01:04:09.204
his developments in Durham county in Chatham County,
546
01:04:09.204 --> 01:04:10.704
in western North Carolina,
547
01:04:11.125 --> 01:04:26.065
and I just feel it necessary to highlight for your team that they have a long track
record of environmental and water quality and other permit compliance problems that
we strongly urge you to investigate on your own to do your own committee
548
01:04:26.065 --> 01:04:34.465
due diligence maybe assign some team members in your department of environmental
quality to investigate this.
549
01:04:34.465 --> 01:04:44.815
Yourself what we've been able to find so far is that last August at this very same
West Point development site, here in Durham Mr.
550
01:04:44.815 --> 01:04:57.235
Brown's company illegally cleared over 70,000 square feet of trees from the site
last August without any permission without any erosion control plan in place they

were cited by the city of Durham for this violation.
551
01:04:57.235 --> 01:05:08.875
And it was only when they were caught that they were forced to go back and address
the requirements, rather than addressing them up front and complying. We also
believe that he's engaged in MS. MS.
552
01:05:08.905 --> 01:05:22.675
statements or perhaps, even misrepresentations in some of the materials that have
been submitted in relation to this development and other developments, for example,
in relation to water quality issues, this initial site plan and related documents.
553
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:35.789
Basically, we're only easily stated that they wouldn't even need to apply for any
40,404 permits and that there would be no dredging or filling required on this
site, which is just blatantly inaccurate.
554
01:05:35.789 --> 01:05:42.719
Um, there are clearly federal wetlands marked on this site, and yet their materials
indicated otherwise.
555
01:05:43.405 --> 01:05:53.605
He also seems to have a documented history of and buffer and storm water control
violations with multiple other developments most recently in Chatham County,
556
01:05:53.844 --> 01:05:54.925
including at his,
557
01:05:54.954 --> 01:05:55.164
um,
558
01:05:55.164 --> 01:05:56.784
Stone crest development,
559
01:05:56.815 --> 01:05:57.565
we understand,
560
01:05:57.565 --> 01:06:03.804
from Chatham county records and officials that he engaged in his company engaged in
building.

561
01:06:03.804 --> 01:06:16.465
Unapproved and UN permitted trails through and buffers, um, that he built
structures on buffers, changed the stormwater plan unilaterally. I know. I'm out of
time. Yeah, thanks, man.
562
01:06:16.769 --> 01:06:28.590
Consider his unscrupulous tactics and history of violations in holding him to the
very strictest 100% compliance standards and in denying this request.
563
01:06:28.590 --> 01:06:36.599
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Ma'am. Our next speaker on the colon is heath
total followed by Nick.
564
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:47.039
He's Tuttle, he's Tuttle, give you 1 more chance and then I'm going to move on to
Mr. kenzie followed by Amanda Moore.
565
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:52.349
Nick kenzie McKenzie.
566
01:06:52.349 --> 01:06:55.980
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, you got the floor, sir Thank you. Bye. Bye.
567
01:06:55.980 --> 01:07:04.530
Thanks, I grew up on the river. Um, I think it's all important that we be reminded
that green spaces like the West Point and black metter ridge.
568
01:07:04.530 --> 01:07:14.039
Are not just a given anymore and they're not going to continue to exist if we eat
away at their edges like this, uh, thinking that they're still gonna be like, some
left.
569
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:18.719
Even if we lose this 1, that's us. We all have the responsibility here. And now.
570
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:22.559
Me and you this, this board and all the, the citizens.
571

01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:27.780
To to protect the 1 that we have charge over the 1 that is close to home for us.
572
01:07:27.780 --> 01:07:34.500
The inner river, and its parks are the inheritance that you can leave for my
generation and the children that we're going to raise.
573
01:07:34.764 --> 01:07:49.554
By saying no to this development, because it's bad for the health of our natural
resources, our ecosystems and it's bad for the health of our North Carolina
communities. Here's a quote from living water, which is an environmental education
experience by a river state park rangers. carlene woods.
574
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:52.920
Presently water quality and the, in a river is good.
575
01:07:52.920 --> 01:08:05.159
The rivers classified as public water supply, and it's also suitable for swimming
fishing and waiting continuing development and water withdrawals upstream give
cause for concern about the river's quality. This development.
576
01:08:05.184 --> 01:08:20.064
On black matter, Ridge, we'll add for the pollution to the inner river that is
gonna come from approximately 400 homes worth of cars, lawns, pet, wastes,
fertilizes, pesticides, oil that's gonna run off newly paved surfaces and
potentially nosedive the water quality of the river.
577
01:08:21.864 --> 01:08:34.045
In living water, there is a class activity that asks students to examine growing
populations in the newest river basin and ask them to explain the question. What
might happen to the water quality is population grows the sample answer. Given
them.
578
01:08:34.045 --> 01:08:42.145
The text is water quality of the river base and will likely decrease due to
increased amounts of sentiment and other types of run off from lawn streets and
parking lots.
579
01:08:42.390 --> 01:08:45.539
Um, the population of Durham and other.
580

01:08:45.564 --> 01:08:53.875
North Carolina cities is going to grow of course, we need more housing. However,
there are, there really are few worse choices of land and development and black
metal ridge.
581
01:08:54.385 --> 01:09:03.654
Um, having the nature parks, like, West Point available to people in urban
locations is super important for, um, mental health. It's been huge in the
pandemic. Um.
582
01:09:03.930 --> 01:09:10.920
The the fuse for extension, for example, W, we were talking earlier about people,
not being interested in the parks.
583
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:16.710
It's there was days during the pandemic where people were parked all up the sides
of, of the access road.
584
01:09:16.710 --> 01:09:26.069
There's a huge demand and it already seems like it's being proven. We don't have
enough green spaces left. Please protect this. 1, deny this development. It would
be a huge mistake. Thank you.
585
01:09:26.069 --> 01:09:36.149
A11 right, thank you, sir, the next speaker on the call is unless that was Nick
tansy and then Amanda Moore.
586
01:09:36.149 --> 01:09:43.680
I'm sorry, I just heard from Mr. Kansas. Sorry about that. Amanda Moore and then
Christine later.
587
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:48.930
T. E. R. L. H. Amanda Moore.
588
01:09:50.430
Okay.
589
01:09:53.520
- -> 01:09:53.520
- -> 01:09:59.909
Christine literal. L. U. T. T. E. yes. I'm here.
590

01:10:00.204 --> 01:10:12.024
Okay, you have the format Thank you. And thank you. That was a mere perfect
pronunciation. 1st of all. Thank you. All so much for holding this meeting and
giving us all the opportunity to voice our concerns and speak our minds about it.
591
01:10:12.324 --> 01:10:17.274
I would like to say that I am a huge proponent of this development.
592
01:10:17.425 --> 01:10:28.765
I have lived in this same zip code since I moved to North Carolina, at least 10
years, probably closer to 12 years and I've always lived on the same side of town.
593
01:10:29.154 --> 01:10:31.974
We are just now just now in the last,
594
01:10:31.974 --> 01:10:35.095
maybe 3 years beginning to see new development,
595
01:10:35.125 --> 01:10:44.545
any change happening in this area and Durham is so there's so many residents in the
city of Durham and there's been no growth.
596
01:10:44.725 --> 01:10:48.114
The area has to grow. If you expect to bring in.
597
01:10:49.734 --> 01:11:04.375
You know, more money develop the land, develop the communities. You have to give
them a reason to come here. And so when you build these new homes now, you have new
residents coming in. They are shopping at the local grocery stores. They are
attending the local churches.
598
01:11:04.524 --> 01:11:08.005
They are spending their money in this local community.
599
01:11:08.635 --> 01:11:20.364
And so, therefore, I do support this project, I do support it and also the fact
that it sounds to me as if they have done their homework and that this is not going
to it might have some interference.
600
01:11:20.425 --> 01:11:26.515

But it's not causing taking away completely such a valued treasure of germ that it
sounds to me,
601
01:11:26.515 --> 01:11:26.694
like,
602
01:11:26.694 --> 01:11:28.975
they are being respectful of this,
603
01:11:29.005 --> 01:11:30.204
this area of the,
604
01:11:30.234 --> 01:11:35.664
the importance of the river and black metal ridge and so to me,
605
01:11:35.664 --> 01:11:36.864
it's important to build.
606
01:11:36.925 --> 01:11:44.395
We're bringing more people into the community. We need more restaurants. We need
more things for these families to do. So I support the growth.
607
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:48.090
Thank you.
608
01:11:48.090 --> 01:11:54.300
A11 right, thank you very much. Ma'am. The next speaker Karina lemons and then John
Lloyd.
609
01:11:54.300 --> 01:12:00.779
Carina lemons. I am Carina lemons. I'm a had been a resident of Durham.
610
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:04.979
For about 24 years, and I started out living in North term.
611
01:12:04.979 --> 01:12:11.489
I'm a member of faith Kimmy church and have been so, during that whole time, um.
612

01:12:11.489 --> 01:12:24.324
We have our church has, like, pastor northern said been located around the river
are near the river or the entire time, just in different locations. Our prior
location was it easy?
613
01:12:24.324 --> 01:12:34.585
Elementary school this project has been underway for for quite some time I want to.
I'm not sure how many years I want to say, maybe 10.
614
01:12:35.034 --> 01:12:45.984
it's like, at least that we have known about the project have been involved
involved in the project and there has been a huge opposition to the project and the
public hearings.
615
01:12:47.154 --> 01:12:58.225
Some of the issues and concerns that the neighborhood is discussing that they've
had regarding the water. We have not experienced the, um, the flooding.
616
01:12:58.255 --> 01:13:05.335
We haven't experienced any flooding on our property and we are very, very close to
the development.
617
01:13:05.335 --> 01:13:14.845
In fact, some of some of our space, some of our land, I think is going to be or
will be used for a part of that project.
618
01:13:15.324 --> 01:13:26.215
Um, I also have been to the, and enjoy that, you know, park. That's right there
next to our, our church and, um.
619
01:13:26.670 --> 01:13:40.470
I also do agree with, um, Christine that just spoke from our church that, um, there
is a lot of, you know, there's development going on in Durham County, but there's
not a lot of development going on.
620
01:13:40.470 --> 01:13:50.460
In North Durham, and so for us, from, from my perspective, as a member of the
church, and, and, you know, as a trustee, is that.
621
01:13:50.460 --> 01:14:01.979
A new subdivision, a new development with more people is going to assist us and

will help us, um, and being able to reach the masses. And that is my time.
622
01:14:01.979 --> 01:14:12.449
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Very much. Ma'am. Uh, the next presenter Speaker
John Lloyd, and then Kathy Lewis.
623
01:14:12.449 --> 01:14:20.789
John Lloyd. John 1. can you hear me? Yes, I can hear the floor. Sorry? I'd like to
speak in opposition to the development.
624
01:14:20.789 --> 01:14:24.840
I'm a former Durham city council member and so.
625
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:28.289
Having a public hearing is Dave has moved for me from years back.
626
01:14:28.289 --> 01:14:31.409
A 30 year resident of arc on hills.
627
01:14:31.409 --> 01:14:37.020
Living on our gun drive 1 of dirhams main attractions includes having.
628
01:14:37.020 --> 01:14:43.109
A quality water supply that's clean and Apple, which is rare in this country.
629
01:14:43.109 --> 01:14:48.779
Many people are moving here because of this so let's not destroy it for the sake of
development.
630
01:14:48.779 --> 01:14:54.510
The water quality issues that could come up from 382 units.
631
01:14:54.510 --> 01:15:01.350
Of garbage, carts and recycling carts and car detergents and dog waste things like
that.
632
01:15:01.350 --> 01:15:06.390
Are all right at the edge of the river and going to be a problem there.

633
01:15:06.390 --> 01:15:10.350
A bigger issue for me is when the development just south of the property.
634
01:15:10.350 --> 01:15:15.210
When park road was developed, I was assured that the water.
635
01:15:15.210 --> 01:15:20.550
Run off from that would be would be directed towards this property.
636
01:15:20.550 --> 01:15:24.779
Unfortunately, that's not true. And now I get much more run off.
637
01:15:24.779 --> 01:15:30.510
From a development that was formerly woods on the other side of of Oregon hills.
638
01:15:30.510 --> 01:15:36.630
And that has caused flooding problems for myself and many neighbors in the area.
639
01:15:36.630 --> 01:15:45.510
It's gotten to the point where the city actually knocked on my door just asked me
to rake leaves out of the ditch to try and keep the water flow as high as possible.
640
01:15:45.510 --> 01:15:52.109
The water flow through the property there is an East, the stormwater easement.
641
01:15:52.109 --> 01:15:55.170
It goes through the property towards the road.
642
01:15:55.170 --> 01:16:00.600
And it's not capable of picking the water away from this neighborhood.
643
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:12.270
As it is, so anything else that's added to it is going to just cause more flooding
and we've got more flooding than we can handle now. So this would just put too much
pressure on.
644
01:16:12.270 --> 01:16:16.020
The flood issues in the area, and I, thank you for your time.

645
01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:19.680
A11 right Thank you, sir.
646
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:24.300
The next speaker, I'm a Colin is Kathy Lewis then Alexander Field's.
647
01:16:24.300 --> 01:16:28.109
And I'm putting the next speaker list in the, uh.
648
01:16:28.194 --> 01:16:42.564
Chat box to just to let people know Kathy Lewis. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes, you have
the floor, ma'am. Thank you. Okay, thank you so much. Um, I'm Cathy new Lewis. I
actually grew up across the street from our last speaker. Mr.
649
01:16:42.564 --> 01:16:52.284
Lloyd, my parents still live there in Oregon hills and I'm speaking in opposition
to this development as well. The comments have been so.
650
01:16:53.130 --> 01:17:06.954
Intriguing to me, the, the ones that are for it is they either want growth or
they're saying no, we're going above and beyond. Well, I would say to that growth.
Yes, but not on this site.
651
01:17:06.984 --> 01:17:13.314
This site is integral to the health of the river. The plan is.
652
01:17:13.704 --> 01:17:27.715
It is just not they say above and beyond, but what are above and beyond what old
standards we have climate change the flooding that Mr. Lloyd talked about. My
parents have experienced that. Same thing.
653
01:17:27.715 --> 01:17:39.145
A neighborhood was built behind them. That used to be all for us. They were assured
everything was in line. I'm sure those developers also went above and beyond and
guess what? Everybody's house in Oregon hills floods.
654
01:17:39.145 --> 01:17:50.454
If it rains, you're talking about amplifying that. And now it's not just a
neighborhood. This is the, you know, this is a national or a state park a city

part.
655
01:17:51.989 --> 01:17:57.449
Having all this runoff going to our drinking supply is crazy to me. Um.
656
01:17:57.564 --> 01:18:12.234
And I just think that the, your department of water quality really needs to look at
this plan. Your mission is presumably to protect the environment. And this plan
does not meet those standards.
657
01:18:12.265 --> 01:18:23.515
They might be following the letter of the law. But it's not the spirit of the loan
we need to think about what we're really trying to do for the health of our water
for the health of our park for the health of our community.
658
01:18:24.505 --> 01:18:28.045
And I just really hope that you will deny this.
659
01:18:28.109 --> 01:18:37.710
Um, and maintain the, the watershed and everything as it is so thanks so much for
your time.
660
01:18:37.710 --> 01:18:41.430
A11 right Thank you. Ma'am.
661
01:18:41.430 --> 01:18:46.949
Our next speaker Alexander field followed by Reid.
662
01:18:46.949 --> 01:18:51.329
Alexander fields? Yes. Hello there. Can you hear me?
663
01:18:51.329 --> 01:18:59.394
Yes, you have the floor, sir Thank you. A11 right. Thank you so much. Well, I'm
Alexander fields. Thank you for hosting this for a month tonight.
664
01:18:59.845 --> 01:19:10.914
Um, I'd like to start off by saying that I've been a lifelong resident of Durham,
North Carolina for 71 years. I've lived on the northern side of Durham, almost all
of those years.

665
01:19:10.914 --> 01:19:17.484
My mother still lives in that in that area she lives right off of Duke homestead.
666
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:23.609
So, um, throughout my entire life, I have gone, um.
667
01:19:23.609 --> 01:19:30.359
To the park for festivals, for just a number of things, you know, just just.
668
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:37.199
Picnics and I've enjoyed that email, but I also believe that I was going to the
email.
669
01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:40.500
When there was only a 2 way street.
670
01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:45.689
And now there are 4 lanes 5 lanes.
671
01:19:45.689 --> 01:19:49.829
To the, you know, and so with that has come growth.
672
01:19:49.829 --> 01:19:52.949
But I'm pretty sure that even when.
673
01:19:52.949 --> 01:19:59.520
There were, uh, plans to widen and add more additional lanes. There was opposition
to that.
674
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:07.979
So, but I'm, I'm saying that to say that growth, you know, it's a great thing. We
may have growing pains in the beginning.
675
01:20:07.979 --> 01:20:15.180
But at the same time, I think growth is necessary because if you just, you know,
just want to.
676
01:20:15.180 --> 01:20:22.560

Uh, just stay in a bubble, you know, then I believe that you would miss a lot of
the things that.
677
01:20:22.885 --> 01:20:35.305
That it would bring, especially, you know, the church, our church is there with
faith community church. But, like, you've heard of the speakers before me say that
is directly adjacent to the, to the email.
678
01:20:35.994 --> 01:20:41.574
The development would certainly increase yes. In houses and people and stuff.
679
01:20:41.904 --> 01:20:56.484
But then, at the same time, our church is there as a catalyst to bring people to
Christ to, to help people find their calling for help people find unity with their
families and financial freedom.
680
01:20:56.484 --> 01:21:01.135
So, I believe that would add to it. So, I, thank you for your time.
681
01:21:01.409 --> 01:21:10.079
All right, thank you very much, sir. Our next speaker and Reed followed by Calvin
lampkin.
682
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.529
Read.
683
01:21:13.529 --> 01:21:22.109
Rate are you here tonight? Okay We'll come back to you in a bit. How about Calvin
lampkin fault by 10 hill?
684
01:21:23.819 --> 01:21:29.579
Calvin lampkin Calvin lampkin.
685
01:21:29.579 --> 01:21:33.659
Try it back again sir how about.
686
01:21:33.659 --> 01:21:36.779
Um, Tim hill.
687

01:21:36.779 --> 01:21:42.600
Tim followed by Drew king Mister hill Tim hill.
688
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:50.100
Yes, can you hear me? Yes, I can do have the for sir. Thank you. A11 right. Thank
you. For your time. I'm speaking in opposition to this development.
689
01:21:50.100 --> 01:21:57.539
1st, I want to make it aware that the, uh, pending determinations by the US Fish
and wildlife.
690
01:21:57.539 --> 01:22:00.539
And the NC historical office.
691
01:22:00.539 --> 01:22:06.479
Preservation office are both being challenged by not historians, but people
involved.
692
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:11.399
With black 1, the original river association with the, um.
693
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:15.720
You know, environmental, uh, with the USA laws.
694
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:21.750
Um, the, you know, at West point was named a critical habitat for Caroline and Matt
to them.
695
01:22:21.750 --> 01:22:26.909
And that has not been addressed by the U. S fish and wildlife.
696
01:22:26.909 --> 01:22:31.800
They were actually brought to court over the 2 species that are specific to West
point on the email.
697
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:38.130
That we're trying to have addressed in relation to the historic preservation
office. Um.
698

01:22:38.130 --> 01:22:45.000
They are putting the responsibility for the preservation of the risk mill on the
division of water quality.
699
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:54.114
Which we do not think is right, and if you look at the storm water impact, report,
turned in by the developer, you can clearly see that.
700
01:22:54.145 --> 01:23:01.885
They are noting that there will be more flooding at West point on the, you know, in
particular at the gristmill.
701
01:23:02.189 --> 01:23:12.600
You know, the report actually, erroneously claims that it's only a 4% increase in
the stream here but it's actually a 20% increase in the flow that flow that they
determine is not.
702
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:23.460
Going to be impactful at all, based on the 10 year survey, um, is only not
impactful to them because it's already flooded at the, you know, under a 10 year
storm scenario.
703
01:23:23.460 --> 01:23:28.079
So, adding more flooding to already flooding seems to not be a problem.
704
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:32.069
But I think that is a problem under a 100 year scenario.
705
01:23:32.069 --> 01:23:35.670
The gristmill and historic site would be completely destroyed.
706
01:23:35.670 --> 01:23:40.555
So the claims on the southern side that Oregon hills will not be flooded is
incorrect.
707
01:23:40.854 --> 01:23:51.114
The claims that this will not increase water, quality issues, or flooding at West
point on the email are incorrect is even in their own reports on the storm water
impact.
708

01:23:51.534 --> 01:23:56.845
And I hope that the division of water quality will look at those and make sure that
we are protecting the historic site.
709
01:23:57.090 --> 01:24:00.449
Uh, based on the law on what needs to be required for this project.
710
01:24:00.449 --> 01:24:15.385
Um, is it, you know, the crossing at this bridge is not required for this
development uh, the access to roxborough road is not required, um, they can still
develop this site without that crossing. I hope that this will be with that. Thank
you so much. All right.
711
01:24:15.685 --> 01:24:16.854
Thank you very much, sir.
712
01:24:17.310 --> 01:24:25.319
Our next big thing, get my list back up my next speaker, I'm going to call drew
king followed by Martha Pentecost.
713
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:30.000
Drew king then you have a forester.
714
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:39.569
Yes, I've been a resident of the old farm subdivision for over 27 years, and I have
observed the flooding.
715
01:24:39.569 --> 01:24:49.050
That our neighbors are experiencing from the Eno river. However, I feel like with
stricter guidelines in place for the, um.
716
01:24:49.050 --> 01:25:02.784
The engineers that would come up with a plan that they could channel the water in a
different direction will not only benefit that, but also benefit the nature of the
residents in this area as well. I am for the project.
717
01:25:02.784 --> 01:25:11.095
And I think it's, it's something like this is needed in order to fix the problem.
Now, the river is slowly.
718

01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:26.064
Deteriorating because of lack of upkeep, and that's just nature. And I feel like
with this project in place will help to prevent that from help from happening to
the river and the community around it.
719
01:25:26.305 --> 01:25:27.444
So I support.
720
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:32.220
The whole ideal of that construction site going up.
721
01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:35.609
Thank you for your time.
722
01:25:35.609 --> 01:25:43.409
All right, thank you very much, sir. The next speaker on a Colin is Martha
Pentecost and then James Taylor.
723
01:25:43.409 --> 01:25:47.250
This pentacost Martha Pentecost.
724
01:25:47.250 --> 01:26:00.000
Yeah, hey, I'm here you have the format Thank you run for 20 years or so and my
kids, um, I sent to the camp up on the at West point.
725
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:12.960
And I'm opposed to this development on seeing that we're losing a lot of our
resources to development and we have to change the way that we do these things.
726
01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:16.979
The all familiar ways, they've given us contaminated water and.
727
01:26:16.979 --> 01:26:29.609
Excessive flooding and rising temperatures and our health depends on clean water,
which depends on natural systems, like complex, soils and microbes and mature
trees.
728
01:26:29.609 --> 01:26:36.510
These are things we can't create very quickly. We have to save the ones that we
have.

729
01:26:36.510 --> 01:26:45.720
And we can't just keep obliterated landscape. So Dave, and build on a blank slate
without suffering worse and worse consequences.
730
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:50.310
Every permit decision matters no permanent decision is.
731
01:26:50.310 --> 01:26:55.020
Just 1 more development, just 1 more stressed West wetland.
732
01:26:55.020 --> 01:26:58.590
Just a little more carbon released into the atmosphere.
733
01:26:58.590 --> 01:27:05.189
But you've been hearing the developer side for months and public hearings should
mean people are heard.
734
01:27:05.189 --> 01:27:10.800
People who are pushing those interested with serious stewardship of our vital
resources.
735
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:16.500
To act on their mission, denied a permit isn't going out on a limb.
736
01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:21.270
It's, it's saving some of the dwindling number of mature oaks.
737
01:27:21.270 --> 01:27:24.390
And keeping us all everybody healthy.
738
01:27:24.390 --> 01:27:29.939
Healthier than we are going to be if we continue doing this, thank you.
739
01:27:31.050 --> 01:27:38.760
Thank you very much, ma'am. Uh, the next speaker I'm going to call in is James
Taylor followed by holiday ROBERTS.
740

01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:43.260
James Taylor James Taylor.
741
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:49.350
Hello can you hear me? You have the floor, sir Thank you.
742
01:27:50.125 --> 01:27:56.154
Hi, I guess I want to say very quickly, um, against this proposal.
743
01:27:56.515 --> 01:28:10.015
I do agree with a lot of what has been said that Durham does need more housing, but
I don't really understand how this project should go on when.
744
01:28:10.260 --> 01:28:22.739
It is proposing over double the over double what the area has been zoned for, in
addition to it being a keystone site. So I think that, um.
745
01:28:22.739 --> 01:28:30.569
I think that it should be held to the, um, zoning standards that the city of Durham
has already agreed upon.
746
01:28:30.569 --> 01:28:36.659
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Very much, sir.
747
01:28:36.659 --> 01:28:42.119
Uh, the next speaker, Holly ROBERTS, and then Brady Blackburn.
748
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:47.909
Ms. ROBERTS? Yes. Hello. Thank you. You have the 4, man? Thank you.
749
01:28:47.909 --> 01:28:57.840
I want to voice my opinion that the developer has not adequately demonstrated a
clear plan to protect the environment around development and deal with water.
750
01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.500
I have a degree in environmental science, and it is clear to me.
751
01:29:01.500 --> 01:29:08.220
That would be increase in impervious surface and the increase in stormwater runoff.

752
01:29:08.220 --> 01:29:11.460
That there will be degradation to the surrounding areas.
753
01:29:11.460 --> 01:29:14.670
We are already seeing erosion from flooding in the area.
754
01:29:14.670 --> 01:29:19.380
That affects not only the use of the part, but also the ability for the ecosystem
to drive.
755
01:29:19.380 --> 01:29:26.250
Uh, erosion will affects the ability for important plans to grow and therefore
important to have attached.
756
01:29:27.869 --> 01:29:33.510
The fact that this high density development has made it this far in an area that is
almost entirely designated.
757
01:29:33.510 --> 01:29:43.170
As a keystone property is unbelievable if someone who frequents to work with my
family I ask you do not allow this development to proceed as it is.
758
01:29:45.539 --> 01:29:53.130
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Ma'am. The next speaker of.
759
01:29:53.130 --> 01:30:03.420
On is Brady Blackburn and then I'm going to go through the list of the speakers who
were signed up. And, uh, for whatever reason, they didn't get a chance to speak.
760
01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:06.689
Trading platform. Hey, can you hear me.
761
01:30:07.225 --> 01:30:14.274
Yes, I can you have a floor, sir wonderful. My name is Brady Blackburn, and I
wanted to speak in opposition to the application.
762
01:30:15.145 --> 01:30:28.885
I live in Durham just up the road from where the development would be constructed

and I am worried that, uh, such a high density housing development would bring
nothing, but negative environmental impacts to the river and everything and
everyone downstream from the, you know, river.
763
01:30:28.914 --> 01:30:39.954
Um, there's really no question that the development would increase stormwater
runoff into the river and as many people have already said that the river does
already suffer significant environment, environmental strain.
764
01:30:40.104 --> 01:30:52.944
Um, I do hope the application at the very least will be amended to adequately
protect the natural environment. Uh, but even if that happens, I'm also worried
about, um, Horton, the company that owns tear more homes.
765
01:30:53.244 --> 01:30:56.635
They appear to be serial bad actors when it comes to development,
766
01:30:56.635 --> 01:31:11.333
especially when it comes to environmental concerns 2 gentleman mentioned earlier
towards the beginning that the proposed proposed site meets all local regulations
and it really doesn't appear to the application is in violation to dirhams future.
767
01:31:11.333 --> 01:31:16.225
Landing use plan and the city's critical areas protection plan. Um.
768
01:31:17.215 --> 01:31:17.994
But beyond that,
769
01:31:17.994 --> 01:31:19.104
even if it was,
770
01:31:19.435 --> 01:31:19.704
you know,
771
01:31:19.704 --> 01:31:23.725
within the existing city and state regulations,
772
01:31:23.755 --> 01:31:24.145
um,

773
01:31:24.175 --> 01:31:33.654
I did a quick Google search earlier today and found that is currently being sued by
homeowners in Alabama for not building their homes up to code with significant
defects.
774
01:31:33.654 --> 01:31:46.614
And not meeting the state's environmental standards uh, 2019, they were ordered to
pay millions of dollars and repair several homes in a Florida condo development
that were structurally deficient in violation of Florida's billing codes.
775
01:31:46.614 --> 01:31:54.354
And in violation of Florida's environmental standards and our file and show that.
They put aside about 400Million dollars every year to handle construction defect
litigation.
776
01:31:54.354 --> 01:32:07.225
So, I'm very concerned that even if this was up to par that we run the risk of
spending the next 6 years of our lives, and very expensive litigation, either at
the city level, or the state level. Um.
777
01:32:09.328 --> 01:32:20.519
Trying to deal with anything that they don't do. Right. Thank you. All right. Thank
you. Sir. I actually have a couple of people who've.
778
01:32:20.519 --> 01:32:26.849
Sent me a message Kelly.
779
01:32:26.849 --> 01:32:31.408
G. 0. Y. E. T. E. Kelly goin.
780
01:32:31.408 --> 01:32:34.708
Please raise your hand if you want to speak? Yes, I'm here.
781
01:32:35.573 --> 01:32:44.423
Oh, go ahead and speak. Thank you, man. Yep, my name's Kelly yet, and I am a
scientific writer and editor of journal articles.
782
01:32:44.423 --> 01:32:50.634
I work with writers from, um, from mostly stem fields and.

783
01:32:51.328 --> 01:32:56.429
Um, in my and I live in old Western.
784
01:32:56.724 --> 01:33:11.213
But I have been living in Durham for the last 13 years and 1 of the main reasons
why I moved here was because I fell in love with the, you know, 1 of the 1st times
that I came through Durham before I lived here.
785
01:33:11.663 --> 01:33:26.033
And we have had 4 dogs in our family now, and I just think I would go insane if I
couldn't go to the email and enjoy it. Um, but 1 of and, you know, I'm not I know
that this development would wouldn't mean that that, you know, was gone, but.
786
01:33:26.729 --> 01:33:33.569
I really worry about the quality of the water and run off. Um.
787
01:33:33.569 --> 01:33:46.168
Because of flooding, we actually had a dog who died of a very rare disease that had
complications with a bacteria that is commonly found and sewer sewer water and for.
788
01:33:46.168
You know,
--> 01:33:46.493
789
01:33:46.493 --> 01:33:49.673
we never really fully answered the question if the,
790
01:33:50.663 --> 01:33:53.573
if the swim that she had taken and the river,
791
01:33:53.573 --> 01:33:55.043
which coincided with a,
792
01:33:55.194 --> 01:33:57.083
with a really bad flood and which,
793
01:33:57.113 --> 01:33:57.474
um,
794

01:33:57.953 --> 01:34:00.024
where where there had been sewage water,
795
01:34:00.083 --> 01:34:00.444
um,
796
01:34:00.474 --> 01:34:01.913
flooding into the.
797
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:10.948
Running off into the river, if that had been related at all to her, getting sick
with the disease, which eventually killed her. Um.
798
01:34:10.948 --> 01:34:18.118
But I, I like to be able to go to the email and not feel that anxiety about whether
the water is.
799
01:34:18.118 --> 01:34:32.783
Polluted and I just wanted to say Tim Hill who wrote who spoke earlier he made a
really salient point in writing. Um, he said, it's not a matter of if this area
will flood, but it's a matter of when, and how bad it will be.
800
01:34:32.783 --> 01:34:37.014
And I think that while the people who are developing can.
801
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:41.724
You know, say that they're taking all these measures to make sure that they
mitigate the risk.
802
01:34:41.753 --> 01:34:54.384
That it's absolutely in arguably a fact that this poses a risk and I, and in our
family's estimation, the, the, you know, river is the crown jewel of Durham for us.
803
01:34:54.953 --> 01:35:02.394
And I think that it's very important to, um, to deny the certificate to me. Durham
wouldn't be.
804
01:35:02.639 --> 01:35:10.559
The same wrap it up wouldn't feel like home if if this kind of development is
allowed to continue.

805
01:35:10.559 --> 01:35:21.538
Thank you. All right. Thank you. Ma'am. Uh, the next speaker on the colon is sherry
zan, Rosenthal or Gabrielle uh.
806
01:35:22.559 --> 01:35:27.719
Sherry Rosenthal Gabrielle.
807
01:35:29.878 --> 01:35:34.349
Gabrielle, I ran a calf.
808
01:35:36.389 --> 01:35:39.569
Nancy Cox arena.
809
01:35:40.769 --> 01:35:44.038
Empty Cox Joseph English.
810
01:35:44.038 --> 01:35:48.359
And Rob, just in English.
811
01:35:51.838 --> 01:35:57.479
Rob then Deborah. Loo, Rob. Deborah Lou.
812
01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:04.769
Deborah Francis Deborah. Francis.
813
01:36:06.599 --> 01:36:11.698
For instance, and Paul, uh.
814
01:36:11.698 --> 01:36:18.179
Francis Paul Bonner Paul Bonner then tonia.
815
01:36:21.448 --> 01:36:26.668
Uh, Paul bone, uh, banner, and then Tanya Hardy.
816
01:36:29.519 --> 01:36:32.908
Tell ya Hardy and Leo Cruz.

817
01:36:34.048 --> 01:36:40.378
You're already and Leo Cruz they're crucible. Walton.
818
01:36:42.059 --> 01:36:46.168
Hunter Walton and Jay Williams.
819
01:36:47.219 --> 01:36:53.309
Hunter Walton about J Williams and Carl Whitney.
820
01:36:54.719 --> 01:37:01.048
J. Williams and Carl Whitney. Carl Whitney and Richard Stern.
821
01:37:01.048 --> 01:37:07.649
Carl Whitney, Richard stern and Kimberly Hernandez.
822
01:37:09.509 --> 01:37:12.509
Richard stern and Kimberly Hernandez.
823
01:37:14.128 --> 01:37:22.019
Kimberly Kimberly Hernandez. You are now unmuted. Oh, thank you. Thank you man. You
have the floor.
824
01:37:22.019 --> 01:37:30.658
Okay, thank you. I'm very, very close to the Hispanic community and I have been
there.
825
01:37:30.923 --> 01:37:35.213
Gone to this to this area of the email that we're speaking of,
826
01:37:35.484 --> 01:37:38.304
and seeing the importance of this space,
827
01:37:38.514 --> 01:37:39.054
the,
828
01:37:39.083 --> 01:37:39.564
the,

829
01:37:39.804 --> 01:37:41.634
the Clean water that that it's,
830
01:37:41.663 --> 01:37:46.224
it's available for families to come to without expense,
831
01:37:46.283 --> 01:37:52.163
which is important and that they feel welcome and safe there.
832
01:37:52.163 --> 01:37:57.173
And babies getting into this water,
833
01:37:57.173 --> 01:38:01.524
and I think that the view needs to be protected when I,
834
01:38:01.554 --> 01:38:09.024
when I went through and walked through the force to the trails and saw the trees
going down and the yellow fences up,
835
01:38:10.043 --> 01:38:12.774
it was devastating to see to see all of that,
836
01:38:12.774 --> 01:38:14.634
and anyway,
837
01:38:14.694 --> 01:38:16.583
I just want to bring it to the floor.
838
01:38:16.734 --> 01:38:22.463
The Hispanic population often doesn't have access just to this kind of a.
839
01:38:23.634 --> 01:38:30.413
Forum and so if if I could bring their voices that where we are against this
particular,
840
01:38:30.594 --> 01:38:31.253
I say,

841
01:38:31.253 --> 01:38:32.514
I can't speak for everybody,
842
01:38:32.514 --> 01:38:40.463
but the people that I know and that I've spoken to the families that I've spoken to
are definitely against this,
843
01:38:40.703 --> 01:38:41.154
um,
844
01:38:41.184 --> 01:38:51.293
there are other areas there are large parking lots where Walmarts have left and
those parking lots just could be lifted and they could put.
845
01:38:51.628 --> 01:39:02.878
You know, some development in those kinds of areas, the abandoned areas, you know,
so, anyway, I'm again against this development. Please, thank you.
846
01:39:04.019 --> 01:39:10.559
All right, thank you. Ma'am. How about Billy? D and then Joey Thompson.
847
01:39:10.559 --> 01:39:15.689
Bill a. D. D. D.
848
01:39:15.689 --> 01:39:20.399
Joey Thompson and Bob Chapman.
849
01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:25.288
Julie Thompson Joey Thompson.
850
01:39:26.578 --> 01:39:29.819
How about Bob chairman and then he's tunnel.
851
01:39:31.498 --> 01:39:34.588
Bob Chapman, he's Tuttle.
852
01:39:34.588 --> 01:39:38.038
Tunnel and Amanda more.

853
01:39:39.599 --> 01:39:46.378
Keith tunnel Amanda Moore and then and.
854
01:39:48.389 --> 01:39:51.389
Amanda more than, uh.
855
01:39:53.548 --> 01:39:57.838
And Todd Reed, and then Kelvin lampkin.
856
01:39:57.838 --> 01:40:02.279
And read, and then Calvin lampkin.
857
01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:14.099
Calvin Lamkin. Okay, those are all the individuals who signed up to speak and if
somehow you were missed.
858
01:40:14.099 --> 01:40:26.399
Um, you can submit written comments however, I'm going to go ahead and open it up
the floor. Cause we have time if there is anyone else who would like to speak,
please raise your hand.
859
01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:31.439
And we will give you a couple of minutes to speak.
860
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:35.639
Yes, we have a I got a message from April do dash.
861
01:40:37.583 --> 01:40:44.993
Okay, can you all hear me? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. So very much. I just wanted to
say, I'm April.
862
01:40:44.993 --> 01:40:56.724
I'm a board member with the Durham parks foundation, and we work in tandem and very
closely with environmentally friendly organizations, such as the river Association.
It's a double whammy.
863
01:40:56.724 --> 01:41:03.684
I'm also a homeowner in the Oregon hills neighborhood, enjoying the area in North

Durham with 139, other residents of argon.
864
01:41:03.684 --> 01:41:17.543
Some people earlier in this conference call have commented that they have not seen
the flooding in this area but I myself have had my house flood after rainstorms and
has seen our streets full of water after hearing from.
865
01:41:20.189 --> 01:41:32.304
Subject matter experts in our area to include the river Association. I joined
everyone who is concerned about the discovered track record of this developer and
not keeping up with environmental standards.
866
01:41:32.783 --> 01:41:37.554
I want to take into account the other large development, the high school across the
street.
867
01:41:38.033 --> 01:41:50.003
That is currently under construction across the road from our neighborhood and this
area in particular is reaching critical mass to the detriment of the West point on
the email,
868
01:41:50.484 --> 01:42:02.634
the water quality and management in our area area wildlife and the overall quality
of life for our Durham neighbors who have lived in in this area for 60 plus years.
869
01:42:02.634 --> 01:42:12.203
Some of them neighbors I have spoken to are against this, and I am strongly against
this development. Thank you so much for your time.
870
01:42:12.599 --> 01:42:22.288
Thank you, ma'am is anybody else who would like to speak tonight and the 1 thing
I'm going to request is that you spell your last name or 1st name then last.
871
01:42:22.288 --> 01:42:27.838
Anybody else who would like to speak? Please raise your hand.
872
01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:38.969
Again, 1, more opportunity for anybody else, who would like to have their comments
hurt tonight and again, remind you, you can do written comments.
873

01:42:41.368 --> 01:42:45.988
Okay, seeing no other hands or raised.
874
01:42:45.988 --> 01:42:59.969
Um, back to closing remarks, if he did not speak tonight, but would like to make
your comments known we will accept written comments until 50 PM on February 21st.
875
01:42:59.969 --> 01:43:09.538
2022 written comments should be submitted to the mailing address or an email
address found in the public notice available on the divisions website.
876
01:43:09.538 --> 01:43:23.399
Based on the public comments and input by the division of water resources, I will
make a recommendation to the director of the division of water resources to make a
final decision. The director considers the written record.
877
01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:30.448
The recommendations of the hearing officer, and any concerns expressed by other
commission members.
878
01:43:31.224 --> 01:43:45.623
If you lastly, I'd like to thank all of you for your attendance and interest and
your time and commitment. Tonight. This hearing is adjourned unless there's anybody
else I just saw something pop up in the chat. If there's anything else anybody like
to say.
879
01:43:45.958 --> 01:43:49.769
1, last chance with that.
880
01:43:49.769 --> 01:43:55.559
I'm going to close or end this meeting. I, thank you all for your time and wish for
you.
881
01:43:55.559 --> 01:43:58.588
You know, good, even the rest of this evening. Thank you.
882
01:43:58.588 --> 01:44:09.509
A11 right, I'm gonna go ahead and stop the recording.
883
01:44:11.009 --> 01:44:12.768

Thanks, sir.