20071050 Ver 1_More Info Received_20070817

North Carolina State University is a land- Office of Finance and Business
grant university and a constituent institution Facilities Division
of The University of North Carolina
An Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer
August 17, 2007
Ms. Cyndi Karoly
Division of Water Quality
401 Oversight/Express Review Permitting Unit
2321 Crabtree Boulevard, Suite 250
Raleigh, NC 27604
07-1050
Subject: NCSU Centennial Campus Greenways Project
DWQ Project # 07-1050, Wake County
North Creek (Walnut Creek) [030402, 27-34-4, C, NSW]
NC State University Project No. 062216
Code 40624 Item 304
Request for Additional Information
Dear Ms. Karoly,
University Architect
Campus Box 7519
Raleigh, North Carolina 27695-7519
http://www.ncsu.edu/facilities/univ-arch
919.515.6259 (phone)
919.515.4253 (fax
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This letter is in response to your letter dated July 20, 2007 requesting additional
information regarding the subject application.
Comment: Please provide a location map and a USGS 1:24,000 topographic map for the
project.
Response: Enclosed are 5 copies of a location map for the project (Sheet G 1.0), and
5 copies of the "Raleigh West" USGS 1:24,000 topographic map.
Comment: Please indicate which 404 Permit the USACE has authorized for this project.
Response: As per the attached email from James Shern, dated August 14, 2007,
USACE has determined that no 404 permit is required. Appropriate staff
and resources will be employed to ensure that Mr. Shern's other
recommendations regarding the project will be addressed.
Comment: The mitigation table under Section X for buffer impacts states "Open Water"
mitigation is needed. Please provide documentation from the NCEEP (or
another mitigation bank) indicating their willingness to accept your request to
purchase open water impacts listed in your PCN.
Response: No mitigation is necessary since no 404 permit is required.
Comment: Impact No. 1 appears to be a stream crossing. Please provide details on the
crossing, including diameter, inlet/outlet protection and aquatic life low flow
provisions.
Response:Impact No. 1 is not a stream crossing. At this location, the elevated
boardwalk crosses a drainage Swale created in the last 10 years by the

utility substation and the neighboring parking lot/commercial
development. Impact No. 1 runs parallel to North Creek.
We hope that this information satisfies your request. If you need further clarification,
please contact me at 919-515-8050.
Sincerely,
om Skolnicki, RLA, ASLA
Project Manager
Encl: James Shern email
Raleigh West USGS Map
Sheet G1.0
cc: Kevin MacNaughton
Michael Harwood
Gwyn Rowland

f: (8/17/2007) Tom Skolnicki - RE: NCSU Centennial Greenways; Yesterday's conversation Page i
From: "Shern, James F SAW" <[e-mail]>
To: "Sarah Yutung Alexander" <[e-mail]>
Date: 8/14/2007 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: NCSU Centennial Greenways; Yesterday's conversation
Attachments: PCNr11 05.doc
CC: <ian.mcmillan @ ncmail.net>, "Amy Chapman" <amy.chapman @ ncmail. net>
As you have described your project, pile supported boardwalks, piers or
bridges will be used when crossing all jurisdictional areas (wetlands,
streams or open waters). Pile supported structures are generally not
regulated as fill and would not require a Section 404 permit from the Corps.
The "classroom wooden deck" over open water is not part of a greenway project
that I have permitted before. How high off the water will it be? Does that
deck have walls and a roof? Just a canopy? Neither? I am not sure it
matters but some additional details on pier spacing etc would be helpful. I
know that we have required 404 permits in the past for stilt houses that had
the piers so close together that they "functioned ad fill", but I am not sure
that is the case here...
You should have someone trained in wetland identification evaluate the route
within the asphalt sections if you have any doubt as to whether wetlands will
be crossed with a fill section.
The clearing of vegetation within 50 feet of a stream bank or pond edge as
shown on the most recent USGS topo or NRCS soils map is allowable but would
require notification to the State for a buffer authorization. I will attach
the PCN form and CC: them so they know that no 404 is required.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Yutung Alexander [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:12 PM
To: Shern, James F SAW
Subject: NCSU Centennial Greenways; Yesterday's conversation
Dear Jaime,
Attached is the greenways project ftp site access instructions. Please review
and let DWO know we don't need the 404 permit.
Thanks,
Sarah Yu-tung Alexander,RLA
Project Manager
Reynolds & Jewell, PA
Landscape Architecture
218 Snow Avenue
Raleigh, NC 27603
919.821.5074 (o)
919.821.5139 (f)
919.219.5750 (m)