20211635 Ver 1_Project Withdrawn_20220223

From: Snider, Holley
To: dlutheran(alseai.us; "Beecher, Gary H CIV USARMY CESAW (USA)"
Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] RE: [External] 4201 Barnes Bluff Drive in Southport. NC (SAW-2021-02405) PCN
application questions DWR20211635
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 11:18:00 AM
Good morning Dana,
The DWR concurs with the USACE's determination of no permit required. The updated plans have
been added to the file record. Please contact me if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Holley Snider .•. ,><((((2>•, ...,,..><((((°>.•—
Environmental Specialist II
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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Hi, Holley.
Just making sure you don't have any concerns with the proposed plan and if the DWR
concurs with the Corps' no permit required stance.
Dana A. Lutheran
Southern Environmental Group, Inc.
5515 South College Koaci, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 2841 2
Office: 9 10.452.271 1
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Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] RE: [External] 4201 Barnes Bluff Drive in Southport. NC (SAW-2021-
02405) PCN application questions DWR20211635
Hi, Gary.
No, temporary impacts should not be necessary. They can use construction mats to access
the areas where the pilings are to be erected. I have also requested they use orange
construction fencing with "WETLAND" marked on it, to ensure they don't go past that line
with disturbance or fill.
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
Southern Environmental Group, Inc.
53 1 5 South College Road, Suite E
Wilmington, NC 2841 2
Office: 910.452.2711
Mobile: [phone] (preferred)
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02405) PCN application questions DWR20211635
Dana,
Thanks for working with your client to minimize wetland impacts on their property.
I don't see a problem with the new layout, the stairs or decks would not be considered as a "wetland
Fill" as long as the pilings don't have a large cement base attached to them.
Will they still be able to work around and construct the house without getting into the wetlands or
will there be temporary impacts?
Gary
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] RE: [External] 4201 Barnes Bluff Drive in Southport. NC (SAW-2021-
02405) PCN application questions DWR20211635
Hello, Holley and Gary.
Sorry for the delay in getting a response to you. The property owner has reversed the back
of the house, which alleviated the need to fill wetlands, but the stairs and part of the deck
will extend out over the resource (see attached plan and profile view. Please note, on the
profile view, the stairs are on the wrong side, but are shown in the right position. If you have
any questions about that, let me know.) The stairs are at least 5' and the deck 12' above
the wetland substrate. The back of the house faces south, so sunlight should penetrate
under the decking and stairs, thus removing the shading effect concern. Vegetation, in that
area, is primarily grass and shrubs.
Would you please review and provide feedback, at your earliest opportunity?
Thanks a bunch,
Dana
Dana A. Lutheran
5outhern Environmental Group, Inc.
53 i 5 5outh College Koad, Suite E.
Wilmington, NC 284i 2
Office: 910.452.27 I i
Mobile: [phone] (preferred)
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Subject: RE: [External] 4201 Barnes Bluff Drive in Southport. NC (SAW-2021-02405) PCN application
questions DWR20211635
Good morning Dana,
Based on The USACE's email dated 12/15/2021 and the requirements of the Rules found in 15A
NCAC 02H .0505 (b) The Division shall issue an individual certification or a "Certificate of Coverage"
under a general certification upon determining that the proposed activity will comply with state
water quality standards, which includes designated uses, numeric criteria, narrative criteria and the
state's antidegradation policy, as defined in the rules of 15A NCAC 02B .0200 and the rules of 15A
NCAC 02L .0100 and .0200. In assessing whether the proposed activity will comply with water quality
standards, the Division shall evaluate if the proposed activity:
1. has avoided and minimized impacts to surface waters and wetlands to ensure any

remaining surface waters or wetlands, and any surface waters or wetlands downstream,
continue to support existing uses during and after project completion;
The DWR has additional questions regarding the proposed development associated with project
#20211635 and has determined that additional information will be necessary to complete the
review of your permit application. The application is on hold until all of the following information
has been received by our office. Please revise your application in accordance with the
recommendations of the resource agencies. Feel free to call or email me if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Holley Snider .• ,><((((°>•' ...,,..><((((°>.•—
Environmental Specialist II
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
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Dana,
I hope you're doing well.
I've finally had a chance to review the plans for the proposed project at 4201 Barnes bluff Drive in
Southport, NC
USACE Project ID:
SAW-2021-02405
See comments below:
-I agree with Holly's review of the proposed house layout. It appears that the house can be moved
closer to the road. There's room to move everything closer to the 20' front building setback line. This
would reduce the wetland impacts for the corner of the house and the maintenance/ work area
around the house.

- The proposed retaining wall and wetland line are kinda wonky, Is the retaining wall only going to be
constructed for the side along the wetlands? With this kind of construction there is a good chance
that erosion could occur where the retaining wall ends, with sediment making its way into the
wetlands.
- I guess that is a proposed deck on the back of the house? While the deck might not actually be an
impact (if constructed high enough over the wetland with spacing) If the entire house pad is moved
forward the deck could probably be constructed entirely out of the wetland?
While these are minimal impacts, due to the quality of the adjacent waters we still request that you
and your applicant try to avoid and minimize as much as possible.
Thanks,
Respectfully,
Gary