NCG080664_Emails RE Removing Outfalls_20220119

Georgoulias, Bethany
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 6:32 AM
To: Hunter, Owen
Cc: Carson, Brittany
Subject: RE: Questions on industrial stormwater permit Outfalls
Owen,
The other outfalls were removed. See both screen shots below
Permit: NCGO00664 Version: .4 Status: ctive
Dutfall Number
Description
Latitude
Longitude
HUC
+35.16.21
-80.52.39
002
Stewart Creek
+35.16.17
-80.52.39
ewa
+36.16.18
-80.52.30
004
Stewart Creek
+35.16.17
-80.52.30
+35.16.16
-80.52.33
+35.16.15
-80.52.34
+35.16.24
-80.52.44
Permit: NCG000664 Version: .0 Status: dive
Outfall Number Description
002 Stewart Creek
004 Stewart Creek
Latitude
Longitude
HU(
+35.16.17
-80.52.39
+35.16.17
-80.52.30
From: Hunter, Owen[mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 4:57 PM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carson, Brittany <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
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Ah sorry! I mistyped. The TRANSFLO Charlotte East Terminal is actually
NCG080664
Only Outfalls 002 and 004 collect stormwater runoff from areas of industrial activities.
Thanks,
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Owen
Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.
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From: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 4:46 PM
To: Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carson, Brittany <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
Owen,
We only have one outfall in our permit database. Did you ever submit information about all the outfalls on this site?
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Permit: NCGO00644 Version: 0.0 Status: ctive
Outfall Number
Description
Latitude
Longitude
HUG
001
lirwin Creek
+35.16.38
-80.48.50
For Outfalls 002 and 004, 1 will need:
Latitude and longitude,
Description of what area drains there (brief)
Confirmation that they drain to Irwin Creek (stream index 11-137-1)
Then I can add them.
Also —just to clarify, outfalls that are subject to the permit because they have industrial activity are not the same as
representative outfalls. If these outfalls have representative outfall status because the other outfalls drain industrial
activity as well, but only these are sampled, then we need to list all of the outfalls and place ROS designation on these
two. But if only two outfalls are subject to the permit at all, then we only list those.
Thank you,
Bethany Georgoulias (she/her)
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality

919 707 3641 office
[e-mail]
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
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From: Hunter, Owen [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 4:24 PM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Cc: Carson, Brittany <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
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Hi Bethany,
Thanks for the quick response! Makes sense.
Looking on the DEQ website it says to reach out to you for any updates to the stormwater outfalls.
Therefore I would like to inquire about updating the outfalls for permit NCG080644 TRANSFLO Charlotte East terminal.
Only two of the point discharges at terminal (Outfalls 002 and 004) collect stormwater from areas of industrial activity.
What do we need to reduce the number of outfalls?
For future COC and NOI forms should we list only two outfalls, or state the full number of outfalls (7) and that only two
are considered to be outfalls subject to the permit conditions?
On an unrelated note, we also need to update the legally responsible person information for the terminal. I saw the
form online and wanted to confirm: is an electronic signature on the Permit Owner Affiliation Designation form
acceptable?
Thanks!
Owen
Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.

One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
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From: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:33 AM
To: Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Cc: Carson, Brittany <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
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Hi, Owen,
See my answers. Please contact Brittany Carson with any further questions.
I wanted to follow up with a few questions:
1. 1 didn't clarify earlier, but I'm wondering about quarterly visual monitoring, not analytical sampling.
a. The facility is not required to conduct analytical sampling as it uses less than 55 gallons of new motor oil
and/or hydraulic oil per month, per NCG08000 Part E
b. The ROS forms have a clause stating that visual monitoring is required for ALL outfalls, regardless of ROS
status, which is also stated in the previous 2018 permit. However, the 2021 NCG08000 does not
explicitly have this clause in NCG08000 Part D.
i. Just to confirm, do we need to perform visual monitoring at all outfalls?
Answer: yes, you need to perform visual monitoring at all outfalls (subject to the permit, which in the
NCG08 case, is typically only where vehicle maintenance activities take place). Below is the language
in NCG08 that states this:
270-1,W.f'1lMWPI-.1001C
PART D: QUALCfATI!1/E M0N[TOR ING OF STORM WATER DISC 11ARGES
The purpose of qualitative monitoring is to implement a quick and inexpensive way to evaluate the
effectiveness of the nermittee's Staranv;iter Pollul:uin Preventian Plan fSWeea to Idfntify the
potential for new sources of stormwater pol lution, and to prompt the permittee's response to
pollution-
D- 1. Visual Inspections
(a) Visual inspections shall be made at each stormwater dischargr ou#fall (Sf]Q) rlsat discharges
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specifically for visual manitoring has been approved in writing by the Divisioi _
(lb) Visual inspectims shall be perrormed concurrent Mth required analytical monitoring.
2. If we can submit a ROS, would the representative outfalls need to be sampled on a rotating basis, or can only
one representative outfall be used for every sampling event?

Answer: No. An outfall with ROS designation is always sampled to be representative of the one or more
outfalls it represents. Three is not rotating sampling unless this is an arrangement that has been agreed upon
with DEQ and documented because of special site circumstances.
Best regards,
Bethany Georgoulias (she/her)
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
919 707 3641 office
[e-mail]
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http//deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
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are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are limiting public access to
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time.
From: Hunter, Owen [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:39 PM
To: [e-mail]; Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>
Cc: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
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Good afternoon Toby and Bethany,
I sent a couple questions to Annette and Suzanne earlier today and got an auto -reply from Suzanne saying to contact
you two instead as she's no longer Stormwater Administrative Assistant.
Please see my questions below and feel free to call to discuss if that's easier.
Thanks and take care,
Owen
Owen M. Hunter (helhim) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer

Arcadis of New York, Inc.
One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
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From: Hunter, Owen
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 2:12 PM
To: 'Lucas, Annette' <[e-mail]>; 'McCoy, Suzanne' <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
Good afternoon Suzanne and Annette,
It's been a while — hope y'all had a good Christmas and New Year's.
I wanted to follow up with a few questions:
1. 1 didn't clarify earlier, but I'm wondering about quarterly visual monitoring, not analytical sampling.
a. The facility is not required to conduct analytical sampling as it uses less than 55 gallons of new motor oil
and/or hydraulic oil per month, per NCG08000 Part E
b. The ROS forms have a clause stating that visual monitoring is required for ALL outfalls, regardless of ROS
status, which is also stated in the previous 2018 permit. However, the 2021 NCG08000 does not
explicitly have this clause in NCG08000 Part D.
i. Just to confirm, do we need to perform visual monitoring at all outfalls?
2. If we can submit a ROS, would the representative outfalls need to be sampled on a rotating basis, or can only
one representative outfall be used for every sampling event?
Thanks and take case,
Owen
Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.
One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
T [phone]
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From: Hunter, Owen
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 10:43 AM
To: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>; McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
Good morning,
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Yes that's answered my question.
Thanks and take care,
Owen
Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.
One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
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From: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 10:09 AM
To: McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>; Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
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Good morning Hunter—
ROS means that one outfall is allowed to be sampled and represent one or more additional outfalls where
sampling is not required. The ROS documentation should be clear on which outfall needs to be sampled and
which additional outfall(s) it is allowed to represent.
I am not certain if I have answered your question in providing this information however. Can you please let
me know if you have follow up questions?
Thanks,
Annette
Annette Lucas, PE
Stormwater Program Supervisor
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
Cell: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: annette.lucasa-ncdenr.gov
Web site: deq.nc.qov/SW
Physical Address: 512 North Salisbury Street, Office 640L, Raleigh, NC 27604
Mailing Address: 1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
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adjusted operations to protect the health and safety of the staff and public. Many employees are working remotely or
are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are limiting public access to
appointments only. Please check with the appropriate staff before visiting our offices, as we may be able to handle your
requests by phone or email. We appreciate your patience as we continue to serve the public during this challenging
time.
From: McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 11:35 AM
To: Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Cc: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
Annette,
Please se last question from Owen.
Suzanne McCoy
Stormwater Program Administrative Specialist
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
Department of Environmental Quality
512 N. Salisbury Street, Office 640K, Raleigh, NC 27604
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
919-707-3640
Based on the current guidance to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Department of Environmental Quality has adjusted operations to protect the health and
safety of the staff and public. Many employees are working remotely or are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are
limiting public access to appointments only. Please check with the appropriate staff before visiting our offices, as we may be able to handle your requests by phone or
email. We appreciate your patience as we continue to serve the public during this challenging time.
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From: Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 11:25 AM
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Thanks for the quick response Suzanne.
Just to confirm, when the Permit says 'reduced number of outfalls' does that mean we only need to sample one of a
group of ROS outfalls?
Cheers,
Owen

Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.
One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
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From: McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:36 AM
To: Hunter, Owen <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] Questions on industrial stormwater permit representative outfall status (ROS)
Request Representative Outfall Status
Complete the Representative Outfall Status (ROS) Request Form. Mail one hard copy of the form
and supporting documents directly to the appropriate Regional Office (see form). In addition, e-mail
the form and supporting documents to Suzanne McCoy. There is no fee for a representative
outfall status request.
Looks like we have not updated the form in a while.
Suzanne McCoy
Stormwater Program Administrative Specialist
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
Department of Environmental Quality
512 N. Salisbury Street, Office 640K, Raleigh, NC 27604
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612
919-707-3640
Based on the current guidance to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Department of Environmental Quality has adjusted operations to protect the health and
safety of the staff and public. Many employees are working remotely or are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are
limiting public access to appointments only. Please check with the appropriate staff before visiting our offices, as we may be able to handle your requests by phone or
email. We appreciate your patience as we continue to serve the public during this challenging time.
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Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:27 AM
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Good morning Suzanne,

I work with a couple sites that have coverage under industrial general permit NCG080000 for transportation facilities.
We would like to submit for representative outfall status (ROS) as only a portion of their outfalls collect stormwater
runoff from areas of industrial activity.
Per the updated Permit, it states that if the NC DEQ approves ROS then "sampling requirements may be performed at a
reduced number of outfalls". Could you elaborate on what this means?
E.g., if 4 of the 6 outfalls are deemed ROS, would we only need to sample at one ROS outfall and then the 2 'industrial
outfalls' (3 samples total)?
Also, is the attached ROS request form the most updated version?
I ask because I found multiple versions on different NC DEQwebpages.
Feel free to call to chat. Thanks!
Owen
Owen M. Hunter (he/him) PE
Staff Environmental Engineer
Arcadis of New York, Inc.
One Lincoln Center 110 W Fayette Street Suite 300 1 Syracuse, NY 1 13202-1306 1 USA
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