20211107 Ver 1_FINAL - I-5987AB_Non-Merger Permit Dwg Review Mtg Minutes_20210804

Project title I-5987A: I-95 Improvements from South of US 301 (Exit 22) to North of
SR 1758 (McDuffie Crossing Rd.) in Robeson County

Subject Non-Merger Permit Drawing Review Meeting
Location Microsoft Teams
Date and time of
meeting
7/13/2021, 10:00am – 1:00pm EST
Date of Meeting
Minutes
8/4/2021
Attendees
Craig Freeman NCDOT Div 6 Mark Staley Roadside Env. Unit Herb Turner Jr. Mott MacDonald
Steve Kendall NCDOT Div 6 Deanna Riffey NCDOT ECAP Eleni Riggs Mott MacDonald
Greg Price NCDOT Div 6 Emily Stupka NCDOT ECAP Morgan Morefield Mott MacDonald
Scott Pridgen NCDOT Div 6 Liz Hair USACE Juniper Walter-Eger Mott MacDonald
James Rerko NCDOT Div 6 Robert Patterson NCDWR Donna Jackson Mott MacDonald
Christy Huff NCDOT Div 6 David Bocker NV5 Jessalyn Abril Mott MacDonald
William Marsh NCDOT Div 6 Steve Drum NV5 Kevin Alford Wetherill Engineering
Gabe Shoffner NCDOT Div 6 Nick Mountcastle NV5 Matt Harvey Wetherill Engineering
Chris Underwood NCDOT Div 6 Will Weathersbee NV5 Forest Brooks Wetherill Engineering
Paul Atkinson Hydraulics Unit Chris Hund NV5 Jerry Page Gannett Fleming
Ray Lovinggood Hydraulics Unit Bill Jernigan MI Engineering Josh Dalton Sungate Design
Matthew York Hydraulics Unit

The following is a brief summary of the discussions on the project:
Introductions were made by Herb Turner (Mott MacDonald) and all in attendance. David Bocker (NV5)
proceeded the first section of I-5987A (-L- 67+00 to 340+00) noting that all waters within the project are
classified as Class ‘C’ and/or Class ‘SW’. The I-5987A project is within the Lumber River but more specifically
falls within the Saddletree Swamp, Fivemile Branch, Tenmile Swamp, and Cowpen Branch watersheds.
Stormwater Management Plan
· Robert Patterson noted that standard rip rap pads do not meet the definition of the Riprap Energy
Dissipator Basins on Sheet 3 of the Stormwater Management Plan (SMP) and should therefore be
removed from the SMP.
· Robert Patterson also suggested the possibility of adding grass swales to the SMP. David noted that
treatment is not needed so grass swales were not included. Paul Atkinson added that if not required,
grass swales are typically not shown. Paul was going to double-check with the Stormwater staff at
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NCDOT and follow-up with the Design team. After the meeting, Paul directed the design team per the
Stormwater group to only call out grass swales used for treatment (where treatment is required) on the
swale tab. A note has been added to the general project narrative that vegetated conveyances were
used throughout the project which will have water quality benefit.
Sheet 6
· Site 1 (NRTR Stream SM): -L- 110+70 LT / 122+15 RT – Existing 54” RCP to be upsized to 7’x7’
RCBC buried 1 foot, some inlet and outlet channel improvements are proposed to tie invert to the
existing stream bed. Riprap at embankment is also proposed where roadside ditches tie to the stream
to ensure bank stabilization is provided at both the culvert inlet and outlet. Jim Rerko mentioned that
the ‘Remove’ label for the existing 48” RCP should be changed to ‘Plug and Fill’. Herb & David
pointed out that since this is a box culvert location that will be phased, pipe removal was shown. Jim
Rerko also remarked on the associated profile sheet that locations with ‘fill with suitable material’
should ideally be filled with riprap. David Bocker said that clarifications can be made on the plans that
the suitable material is riprap.
Sheet 14
· Site 2 (NRTR Stream TX): -L- 224+65 RT – Existing 30” RCP to be upsized to 42” Trenchless with
standard riprap apron. It was requested that any riprap in streams be embedded. David Bocker
clarified that riprap in streams was intended to be embedded and that bank stabilization was keyed-in.
· Site 3 (NRTR Stream TX): -L- 226+70 RT – Existing 18” RCP to be replaced with 18” Trenchless with
standard riprap apron & riprap at embankment stabilization. It was requested that this impact be
specified as bank stabilization instead of system outlet on the impact summary table.
Sheet 14/15
· Site 4 (NRTR Stream TU & TT): -L- 242+00 RT / 243+70 LT – Existing 2 @ 48” RCPs to be upsized to
8’x7’ RCBC buried 1 foot, some inlet and outlet channel improvements are proposed to tie invert of the
existing stream bed. There is also a small system outlet with standard riprap apron that drains to the
JS. It was also noted that the culvert will be shorter due to the proposed culvert height.
Sheet 15
· Site 5 (NRTR Wetland WAB): -L- 220+55 RT – Existing 18” RCP system outlet to be upsized to 30”
Trenchless with standard riprap apron. Roadway fill slopes in this area have been minimized to avoid
wetland impacts. Non-erosive velocities will be provided into the wetlands. David Bocker to check
and ensure that no additional impacts as needed due to impacts from the bore pit for the trenchless
installation.
Sheet 16
· Site 6 (NRTR Stream TAA): -L- 265+00 LT – No existing pipe connection found under I-95, both JS
features flow away from I-95. The headwaters of JS are fed by interstate ditches. Riprap at
embankment is proposed at ditch outlets to stabilize banks of JS.
· Site 7 (NRTR Stream TAA): -L- 265+00 RT – Existing 18” RCP system outlet to be replaced with 18”
Trenchless with standard riprap apron. Riprap at embankment is proposed at ditch outlets to stabilize
banks of JS. Matthew York asked if the NRTR Stream designation of “TAA” should be different for the
west and east side of I-95? Jim Rerko answered that no, this should be the same tributary since that
was determined from fieldwork and Liz Hair agreed.
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Sheet 17
· Site 8 (NRTR Stream TS): -L- 275+80 RT – 30” RCP with standard riprap apron is proposed at SR2
crossing due to reconfiguration of interchange. 3:1 roadway fill slopes have been used to minimize
impacts to the stream.
· Site 9 (NRTR Stream TBB): -L- 281+90 RT – Existing 36” RCP system outlet to be upsized to 60”
RCP system outlet with standard riprap apron. Riprap at embankment is also proposed for ditches that
outlet to the JS feature at this location.
· Site 10 (NRTR Stream TBB & Wetland WM): -L- 285+50 LT – Roadway fill/roundabout impact to
wetlands & 36” RCP with standard riprap apron is proposed at -Y1A crossing due to reconfiguration of
interchange. David Bocker further explained that at the roundabout, 4:1 slopes were used and
deemed to be the least impactful due to sight distance, minimization of guardrail and other roadway
design factors. It was requested that David share some of these specific design constraints and
methodology with the NV5 staff that are completed the permit application. Jim Rerko requested that
the portion of stream (SS) that is located between the tributary segments (TBB) be changed to TBB for
consistency. Liz Hair agreed with the change of SS to TBB.
Sheet 18
· Site 11 (NRTR – Tenmile Swamp): -L- 310+50 LT/RT - Existing 3 – 11’x10’ RCBC to be upsized to 3 –
12’x12’ RCBC buried 1 foot, some inlet and outlet channel improvements are anticipated to tie invert to
the existing stream bed. 3:1 roadway fill slopes have been utilized to minimize impacts to the stream
and wetlands. Riprap is shown to fill the existing culvert inlet/outlet areas due to past scour issues
from major storms in the past couple years. Toe protection is also proposed allow the roadway
embankment to provide additional stabilization and PDE is provided for future maintenance.
· Jim Rerko requested that Permit Site 12 be designated/labeled on this sheet. A station range for Site
12 should also be added to the Impact Summary Table.
Sheet 19
· Site 12 (NRTR Wetland WK): -L- 314+00 LT & RT – 3:1 roadway fill slopes have been utilized to
minimize impacts to the wetlands. Existing 18” RCP system outlet to be replaced and standard riprap
apron is proposed at the toe of slope. Ditches have been designed to daylight prior to the wetland to
provide diffused flow with non-erosive velocities.
Sheet 20
· Site 13 (NRTR Stream TR): -L- 332+05 LT – Existing 18” RCP system outlet to be upsized to 30”
Trenchless with standard riprap apron.
· Site 14 (NRTR Wetland WJ): -L- 339+15 LT – Existing 2 @ 24” RCP system outlet to be upsized to
42” Trenchless with standard riprap apron.
Sheet 33
· Site 15 (NRTR Stream SO): -Y2- 17+25 – Existing 36”/42” RCP to be upsized with 2 @ 48” RCP
buried 1 foot with sill/benches at the inlet and outlet to maintain stream width. Riprap at embankment
is proposed at ditch outlets upstream to stabilize banks of JS.

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Bill Jernigan (MI Engineering) proceeded to review the second section of I-5987A (-L- 340+00 to 495+00)
Sheet 21
· Site 17 (NRTR Wetland WJ): -L- 342+15 RT – Pocket wetland is a total take due to increase roadway
footprint and false cut ditch with berm.
· Site 16 (NRTR Wetland WJ): -L- 343+09 LT – Existing 24” RCP to be upsized to 48” Trenchless with
standard riprap apron. Roadway fill slopes will result in impacts to the wetlands (entire LT side of Plan
Sheet).
· Site 16 (NRTR Wetland WJ): -L- 347+68 LT – Existing 36” RCP to be upsized to 42” Trenchless with
standard riprap apron.
· Site 18 (NRTR Wetland WJ): -L- 352+89 - 3:1 roadway fill slopes have been used to minimize impacts
to the wetlands
Sheet 22
· Site 19 (NRTR Stream SP – Upstream & Wetland WJ – Downstream): -L- 354+06 – Existing 2 @ 48”
RCP to be upsized to 2 @ 7’x7’ RCBC buried 1 foot with 1 foot sill on southern barrel and 2 foot sill
and floodplain bench on northern barrel.
· Site 20 (NRTR Wetland WI): -L- 365+16 RT – Proposed base ditch outlets into wetland with a standard
riprap apron.
· Site 20 (NRTR – Cowpen Branch & Wetland WI): -L- 366+29 – Existing 2 @ 7’x7’ RCBC to be upsized
to 2 @ 8’x9’ RCBC buried 1 foot with sills on both barrels with channel improvements at the inlet and
outlet.
Sheet 23
· Site 20 (NRTR Wetland WI): -L- 367+54 LT & 368+42 RT – Proposed base ditches outlet into the
wetland with standard riprap aprons.
Sheet 25
· Site 21 (NRTR Wetland WH): -L- 400+00 LT – Proposed base ditch through the wetland maintains a
similar elevation as the existing ditch. Pocket wetland is not a total take.
· Site 21A (NRTR Stream TAC to SAB): -L- 404+00 RT – Bill Jernigan explained that stream SAB was
recently added as jurisdictional site per the recent updated study area. The channel improvements
and outfall cleanout at this location as needed to ensure proper drainage of the roadway ditches. This
site is not shown on the pdf made available for this Permit Drawing Review meeting; Jim Rerko
requested that this impact site be added to the permit package. NCDOT Hydraulics and the Division
asked if sufficient TDE is shown to construct the channel improvements. Division requested 20’ on
each of the channel bank. After the meeting, it was confirmed that the TDE shown on the permit
drawings was outdated; TDE as shown on the R/W plans did accommodate 20’ on each side of the
channel banks as requested; therefore, no R/W revision is needed at this location. It was also
requested that the stream profile for the channel improvements be added to the permit drawing
package for Site 21A.
Sheet 29
· Site 22 (NRTR Stream TP): -L- 454+44 LT – Tributary is impacted due to widening, proposed ditch
maintains a similar elevation as the existing channel.
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· Site 22 (NRTR – Cowpen Branch & Wetland WG): -L- 454+90 – Existing 54” RCP to be upsized to 2
@ 8’x7’ RCBC buried 1 foot with 1 foot sill on northern barrel and 2’ sill and floodplain bench on
southern barrel.
Sheet 30
· Site 23 (NRTR – Cowpen Branch): -Y3- 24+79 – Existing 72” RCP/CMP to be upsized with 2 @ 8’x7’
RCBC buried 1 foot with 1 foot sill on southern barrel and 2’ sill and floodplain bench on northern
barrel. 3:1 roadway fill slopes have been utilized to minimize impacts to the stream. Portions of the
southern roadway embankment will be removed; therefore, the outlet portion of the culvert will be
shortened. Slight channel improvements are proposed at the inlet and outlet.

Herb Turner asked if there were any other questions or comments; no attendees had any additional
comments. After a short break, Herb reviewed the I-5987B project which are captured in separate meeting
minutes.
Meeting adjourned: 12:30 PM