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From: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Johnson, Kelly
Cc: Ron Cullipher; [e-mail]
Subject: RE: [External] 2019.09.03 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8
010220)
CAUTION. - s . M •'
Yes, 1610sf would be the total. I reviewed Option #2 and in agreement with this version. I will change the information
on my end to match Option #2 table.
Thank you
From: Johnson, Kelly <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:08 AM
To: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Cc: Ron Cullipher <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
Subject: RE: [External] 2019.09.03 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
For the main campus, it looks like for the Main Campus (DA1) the 809 was listed as future or "additional
impervious treated" rather than 801? Are you saying that the 809+801=1,610 is the total "future" available for
the Main Campus? (This is in addition to the 1,534 in DA10.) I have listed what I believe to be the current
proposal as Option #1 below and the potential to combine the 801 and 809 as Option #2. Can you confirm? I
would like to get all of this in a single table so it will be easier to use in the future. (file attached)
Thanks,
Kelly
8/30/19 Application:

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proposed new BUA. The design premise is to treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed., after considering what has been rem
proposed, and any SUA credit for the use of permeable pavement. Two areas are the project are considered separately.
Main Campus fDA1 . There is 347,387sf of pre•1988, existing SUA within this area. Drainage areas 9 and 10 provide treatment for impervious bui
347,387sf which is tracked as "Impervious Treated". The "Future Impervious Available" is the amount of excess treatment that has been provided
available for future use anywhere inside the Main Campus. (There is also an infiltration basin that has been averdesigned with 1,534sf of impervic
the 'facture impervious available". The infiltration basin's impervious must be used in the drainage area of the infiltration basin.)
Z7est Cam2us JDA21 There is 72,475sf of pse-1988, existing BUA within this area. Drainage areas 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 3 woviide treatment for impery
excess of 72,475sf which is tracted as "Impervious Treated". The "Future Impervious Available" is the amount of excess treatment that has been
therefore available for future use anywhere inside the West Campus.
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421,973
86,496
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347,387
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new $UA- The design premise is to treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed, after considering what has been rarnoved, what i;
any SUA credit for the use of permeable pavement. Two areas are the project are considered separately -
Main Campus IDAI): There is 347,387sf of pre-1988, existing BUA within this area. Drainage areas 9 and 10 provide treatment for impervious built i.
347,387sf which is tracker! as "Impervious Treated". The "Future impervious Available" is the amount of excess treatment that has been provided ai
available for future use anywhere inside the Main Campus. JThere is also an infiltration basin that has been ovrerdesagned with I,5345f of impervious
'future impervious available". The infiltration basin's impervious mast be used in the drainage area of the infiltration basin.)
West CemQus A2j: There is 72,475sf of pre-1988, existing BUA v:rithin this area. Drainage areas 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 provide treatment for impervioL
72,475sf wNch is tractad as "Imparvious Treated". The "suture 1rrper.;ious Available" is the amount of excess treatment that has been :provided ans
available for future use anywhere inside the West Campus.
From: Ginger Turner [mailto:gin er e tcgpa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 1:59 PM
To: Johnson, Kelly <kelly.p.johnson e,ncdenr. oy>
Cc: dbrvenik e,carterethealth.org; Ron Cullipher.<[e-mail]>
Subject: [External] 2019.09.03 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Kelly,

Please see the attached and responses in red below.
Thank you,
Ginger Y. Turner, PE
The Cullipher Group, PA
151 A Highway 24
Morehead City, NC 28557
[phone] (main)
[phone] (direct)
ginger@,tcgpa.com
From: Johnson, Kelly <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:42 PM
To: Ginger Turner <ginger@tc a.com>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: FW: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
The permeable pavement was permitted when it was given 75% credit for soil type, therefore 25%
counted as impervious but it was treating itself.

I have tried to transpose the two revised tables you sent and figure out how the numbers work, but I just can't
seem to balance it out. For the West Campus, I think you have 86,496sf of total impervious and you had
72,475sf of pr-1988 BUA such that if you treat the difference that would be 14,021 sf. Is that the amount that
has to be treated? Yes
Assuming that it is, how is that area being treated? All being treated with the permeable pavement within
the drainage area (shown below)
If the parking in the permeable pavement drainage areas drains to the permeable pavement (maybe?) then
(3,596+1,640+3,692+2,991=11,919) that isn't enough treatment? The total area treated includes the
permeable pavement (counted as 25% impervious) plus up to 100% of adjacent BUA within each
drainage area (626+504+3,008+752+1,640+752+3,008+752+2,991+752=14,785).
Did some of the pre-1988 get replaced by permeable pavement such that the surface of the permeable pavement
is provided in lieu of the redeveloped areas such that only 25% of that area is counted? No If so, how much?
Is there anything else draining to the permeable pavement? Yes see drainage area map below and as
explained above.

For the main campus there was 347,387sf of pre-1988. I think that some of that must have been redeveloped
because 261,128+22,400+43,644=327,172 rather than 347,387sf.
The total of the impervious allocation for the main campus 346,586+28,000+48,196=422,782sf. Correct
The difference in the total impervious (422,782) and the existing/pre-1988 (347,387) is 75,395sf. Correct
Is this the amount that has to be treated? Yes

If 22,400sf of pre-1988 was replaced with permeable pavement and 48,196sf of impervious is treated by the
infiltration basin that totals 70,596sf rather than 75,395sf. Also, I see that there could be "future" for the
infiltration basin because it was likely built with extra capacity. Same applies to DA1 with the permeable
pavement. It treats itself and adjacent BUA. (5,600+22,400+48,196) = 76,196 sf
But, where does the 809sf of "future" for the Main Campus come from? I have attached the Excel file. The
amount left over (809 sf) from the current proposed BUA to total the 346,586 sf allowable in this drainage
area (DA1). There was more impervious removed during a previous modification than was actually
constructed.
I have to set a due date for the auditors. Please respond by 9/19/19.
Thanks,
Kelly
Main Campus
West Campus
Allocation
Perm
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Permeable Pavement
Drains a Area Number
1
9
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Total Impervious Area
422,782
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347,387
72,475
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Impervious Allocation
346,566
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From: Johnson, Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:58 AM
To: Ginger Turner <ginger@,tcgpa.com>
Subject: RE: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)

Thanks Ginger. The little issues always seem to be the hardest. I get back around to this as soon as I can.
Kelly
From: Ginger Turner fmailto:ginger(Ltcgpa.coml
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:11 PM
To: Johnson, Kelly <kelly.pJohnsonnncdenr.gov>
Subject: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Hey Kelly,
Item 1 - There is 920 sf pervious gravel proposed for this modification.
Item 2 - Honestly there have been so many rule changes and modifications since 2001 that I am sure it is hard to
follow. It has taken me most of the day to figure it all out once again. I have attached a revised Page 3 of 6,
plus the additional drainage area chart and the revised composite plan with updated Stormwater Data. I added
another couple of rows on the additional drainage area table to include Impervious Area Treated and Not
Treated. Hopefully once you review these it will be a little less confusing. (I've been confused all morning
Hopefully I didn't create more chaos!
Ginger Y. Turner, PE
The Cullipher Group, PA
151 A Highway 24
Morehead City, NC 28557

[phone] (main)
[phone] (direct)
ginger&tc a.com
From: Johnson, Kelly <kelly.pJohnsonnncdenr.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:06 PM
To: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
I started going through this today, and I have two quick questions:
1.) What is the square footage of the permeable gravel to be added? (I need to put that in the permit text.)
2.) Here is the data permitted previously for DAL I see that the permit text says that, "the design premise is to
treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed, after considering what has been removed, what
is proposed, and any BUA credit for the use of permeable pavement." Does this mean that there was 347,387sf
of pre-19.88 BUA in DA1 as the pre -development condition? Why is it 349,572sf (a higher value) in the
summary for the "main campus, DA1"? For DA2, I think this says that there was 72,475sf of pre-1988 BUA as
the pre -development condition, and that some of it has been removed and rebuilt (72,475-
50,199=22,276sf). So, for DA2 you would have to treat the total BUA minus the 72,4750--26,433sf? I need to
create a table of what was previously permitted v/s what is now proposed so that I can document the data for the
permit. I suppose the parking will reduce and the "other" will increase. Can you provide some clarification on
what these numbers say and how these numbers will change?
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provided in the some format as bel$ ,Art IA,rivr YAw i LA f .... n 0. 'No WR litx+ 11JA-4r r...w. .
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609,964
609,964
132,%19
132,949
112,799
112,789
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609,961
609,964
Off -site Drainage Area L50
0
0
0
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Proposed Impervious Area" a
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0
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56.95%
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Norm 5W11-101 Verx'ssn Oct, 31. 2A13 Page i or6
The way the numbers were represented above is how Christine and I thought were best at the time. In
reviewing them now I can see potential discrepancy and misrepresentation. I have updated the applicated page
and the additional drainage area page to possibly make it a little easier to follow. One of the issues was showing
the pervious pavement as 100% IMPERVIOUS and then providing treatment of itself and adjacent BUA within
the drainage area. I also changed those numbers to reflect the actual impervious on the sites. I did the same
exercise for both DA1 and DA2. Let me know if you have any questions.
I have to set a due date for the auditors. Please respond by 9/13/19.
Thanks,
Kelly
K.eLL'. JohvuSDV6
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Kelly Johnson
Environmental Engineer
NC Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
Stormwater Permitting
127 Cardinal Drive Extension
Wilmington, NC 28405-3845
Phone: [phone]
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and
may be disclosed to third parties
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From: Johnson, Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:42 PM
To: Ginger Turner
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: FW. [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8
010220)
Attachments: 2019 09 Excel BUA 010220.xlsx
Ginger,
I have tried to transpose the two revised tables you sent and figure out how the numbers work, but I just can't seem to
balance it out. For the West Campus, I think you have 86,496sf of total impervious and you had 72,475sf of pr-1988 BUA
such that if you treat the difference that would be 14,021sf. Is that the amount that has to be treated? Assuming that it
is, how is that area being treated? If the parking in the permeable pavement drainage areas drains to the permeable
pavement (maybe?) then(3,596+1,640+3,692+2,991=11,919) that isn't enough treatment? Did some of the pre-1988
get replaced by permeabie pavement such that the surface of the permeable pavement is provided in lieu of the
redeveloped areas such that only 25% of that area is counted? If so, how much? Is there anything else draining to the
permeable pavement? For the main campus there was 347,387sf of pre-1988. I think that some of that must have been
redeveloped because 261,128+22,400+43,644=327,172 rather than 347,387sf. The total of the impervious allocation for
the main campus 346,586+28,000+48,196=422,782sf. The difference in the total impervious (422,782) and the
existing/pre-1988 (347,387) is 75,395sf. Is this the amount that has to be treated? If 22,400sf of pre-1988 was replaced
with permeable pavement and 48,196sf of impervious is treated by the infiltration basin that totals 70,596sf rather than
75,395sf. Also, I see that there could be "future" for the infiltration basin because it was likely built with extra
capacity. But, where does the 809sf of "future" for the Main Campus come from? I have attached the Excel file.
I have to set a due date for the auditors. Please respond by 9/19/19.
Thanks,
Kelly
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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 9:58 AM
To: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)

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Thanks Ginger. The little issues always seem to be the hardest. I get back around to this as soon as I can.
Kelly
From: Ginger Turner [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:11 PM
To: Johnson, Kelly <kelly.p.![e-mail]>
Subject: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Exterrsal email. D)r not dick finks or open avadvrenrs unless you verify. Send all suspkiaus en as an rtiachmem
Hey Kelly,
Item 1- There is 920 sf pervious gravel proposed for this modification.
Item 2 - Honestly there have been so many rule changes and modifications since 2001 that I am sure it is hard to
follow. It has taken me most of the day to figure it all out once again. I have attached a revised Page 3 of 6, plus the
additional drainage area chart and the revised composite plan with updated Stormwater Data. I added another couple
of rows on the additional drainage area table to include Impervious Area Treated and Not Treated. Hopefully once you
review these it will be a little less confusing. (I've been confused all morning @.)
Hopefully I didn't create more chaos!
Ginger Y. Turner, PE
The Cullipher Group, PA
151A Highway 24
Morehead City, NC 28557
[phone] (main)
[phone] (direct)
[e-mail]
From: Johnson, Kelly <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:06 PM
To: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
I started going through this today, and I have two quick questions:
1.) What is the square footage of the permeable gravel to be added? (I need to put that in the permit text.)
2.) Here is the data permitted previously for DAL I see that the permit text says that, "the design premise is to
treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed, after considering what has been removed, what

is proposed, and any BUA credit for the use of permeable pavement." Does this mean that there was 347,387sf
of pre-1988 BUA in DA1 as the pre -development condition? Why is it 349,572sf (a higher value) in the summary
for the "main campus, DA1"? For DA2, I think this says that there was 72,475sf of pre-1988 BUA as the pre -
development condition, and that some of it has been removed and rebuilt (72,475-50,199=22,276sf). So, for
DA2 you would have to treat the total BUA minus the 72,475sf=26,433sf? I need to create a table of what was
previously permitted v/s what is now proposed so that I can document the data for the permit. I suppose the
parking will reduce and the "other" will increase. Can you provide some clarification on what these numbers say
and how these numbers will change?
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The way the numbers were represented above is how Christine and I thought were best at the time. In reviewing them
now I can see potential discrepancy and misrepresentation. I have updated the applicated page and the additional
drainage area page to possibly make it a little easier to follow. One of the issues was showing the pervious pavement as
100% IMPERVIOUS and then providing treatment of itself and adjacent BUA within the drainage area. I also changed
those numbers to reflect the actual impervious on the sites. I did the same exercise for both DA1 and DA2. Let me know
if you have any questions.
I have to set a due date for the auditors. Please respond by 9/13/19.
Thanks,
Kelly
Kelly Johnson
Environmental Engineer
NC Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources

Stormwater Permitting
127 Cardinal Drive Extension
Wilmington, NC 284OS-384S
Phone: [phone]
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be
disclosed to third parties.

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Johnson, Kell
From: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 2:11 PM
To: Johnson, Kelly
Subject: [External] 2019.08.30 Response Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8
010220)
Attachments: 2019 SW Application & Composite Plan.pdf
Hey Kelly,
Item 1- There is 920 sf pervious gravel proposed for this modification.
Item 2 - Honestly there have been so many rule changes and modifications since 2001 that I am sure it is hard to
follow. It has taken me most of the day to figure it all out once again. I have attached a revised Page 3 of 6, plus the
additional drainage area chart and the revised composite plan with updated Stormwater Data. I added another couple
of rows on the additional drainage area table to include Impervious Area Treated and Not Treated. Hopefully once you
review these it will be a little less confusing. (I've been confused all morning Q.)
Hopefully I didn't create more chaos!
Ginger Y. Turner, PE
The Cullipher Group, PA
151A Highway 24
Morehead City, NC 28557
[phone] (main)
[phone] (direct)
[e-mail]
From: Johnson, Kelly <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:06 PM
To: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Carteret General Hospital - State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
I started going through this today, and I have two quick questions:
1.) What is the square footage of the permeable gravel to be added? (I need to put that in the permit text.)
2.) Here is the data permitted previously for DA1. I see that the permit text says that, "the design premise is to
treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed, after considering what has been removed, what

is proposed, and any BUA credit for the use of permeable pavement." Does this mean that there was 347,387sf
of pre-1988 BUA in DA1 as the pre -development condition? Why is it 349,572sf (a higher value) in the summary
for the "main campus, DA1"? For DA2, I think this says that there was 72,475sf of pre-1988 BUA as the pre -
development condition, and that some of it has been removed and rebuilt (72,475-50,199=22,276sf). So, for
DA2 you would have to treat the total BUA minus the 72,475sf=26,433sf? I need to create a table of what was
previously permitted v/s what is now proposed so that I can document the data for the permit. I suppose the
parking will reduce and the "other" will increase. Can you provide some clarification on what these numbers say
and how these numbers will change?
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The way the numbers were represented above is how Christine and I thought were best at the time. In reviewing them
now I can see potential discrepancy and misrepresentation. I have updated the applicated page and the additional
drainage area page to possibly make it a little easier to follow. One of the issues was showing the pervious pavement as
100% IMPERVIOUS and then providing treatment of itself and adjacent BUA within the drainage area. I also changed
those numbers to reflect the actual impervious on the sites. I did the same exercise for both DA1 and DA2. Let me know
if you have any questions.
I have to set a due date for the auditors. Please respond by 9/13/19.
Thanks,
Kelly
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Kelly Johnson
Environmental Engineer
NC Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources

Stormwater Permitting
127 Cardinal Drive Extension
Wilmington, NC 28405-3845
Phone: [phone]
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be
disclosed to third parties.

IV. PROJECT INFORMATION
1. In the space provided below, briefly summarize how the stormwater runoff will be treated.
Previously permitted and constructed infiltration basin as well as installation of pervious pavement to
maintain the net effective BUA
2. a. If claiming vested rights, identify the supporting documents provided and the date they were approved:
❑ Approval of a Site Specific Development Plan or PUD Approval Date:
❑ Valid Building Permit Issued Date:
❑ Other: Date:
b.If claiming vested rights, identify the regulation(s) the project has been designed in accordance with:
❑ Coastal SW -1995 ❑ Ph II - Post Construction
3. Stormwater runoff from this project drains to the White Oak
4. Total Property Area: 17.05 acres
River basin.
5. Total Coastal Wetlands Area: acres
6. Total Surface Water Area: acres
7. Total Property Area (4) - Total Coastal Wetlands Area (5) - Total Surface Water Area (6) = Total Project
Area': 17.05 acres
+ Total project area shall be calculated to exclude the following: the normal pool of impounded structures, the area
between the banks of streams and rivers, the area below the Normal High Water (NHM line or Mean High Water
(MHV1>) line, and coastal wetlands landward from the NHW (or A4 VV) line. The resultant project area is used to
calculate overall percent built upon area (BUA). Non -coastal wetlands Iandward of the NHW (or MHM line may
be included in the total project area.
8. Project percent of impervious area: (Total Impervious Area / Total Project Area) X 100 = 72.25 %
9. How many drainage areas does the project have?10 (For high density, count 1 for each proposed engineered
stormwater BMP. For low density and other projects, use 1 for the whole property area)
10. Complete the following information for each drainage area identified in Project Information item 9. If there
are more than four drainage areas in the project, attach an additional sheet with the information for each area
provided in the same format as below. pre '88 Main Main Campus Pre '88 West West Campus
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Drainage Area
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609,964
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From: Johnson, Kelly
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:06 PM
To: 'Ginger Turner'
Cc: '[e-mail]'
Subject: Carteret General Hospital State Stormwater (SW8 010220)
Ginger,
I started going through this today, and I have two quick questions:
1.) What is the square footage of the permeable gravel to be added? (I need to put that in the permit text.)
2.) Here is the data permitted previously for DAL I see that the permit text says that, "the design premise is to
treat the amount of BUA that exceeds what previously existed, after considering what has been removed, what
is proposed, and any BUA credit for the use of permeable pavement." Does this mean that there was 347,387sf
of pre-1988 BUA in DA1 as the pre -development condition? Why is it 349,572sf (a higher value) in the summary
for the "main campus, DA1"? For DA2, I think this says that there was 72,475sf of pre-1988 BUA as the pre -
development condition, and that some of it has been removed and rebuilt (72,475-50,199=22,276sf). So, for
DA2 you would have to treat the total BUA minus the 72,475sf=26,433sf? I need to create a table of what was
previously permitted v/s what is now proposed so that I can document the data for the permit. I suppose the
parking will reduce and the "other" will increase. Can you provide some clarification on what these numbers say
and how these numbers will change?
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Kelly

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Kelly Johnson
Environmental Engineer
NC Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
Stormwater Permitting
127 Cardinal Drive Extension
Wilmington, NC 28405-3845
Phone: [phone]
E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be
disclosed to third parties.

Burd, Tina J
From: Burd, Tina J
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:42 AM
To: [e-mail]; Ginger Turner
Subject: SW8 010220 - Carteret General Hospital
The Wilmington Regional Office of the Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources (Stormwater Section) accepted
the Stormwater Permit Minor Modification Application for the subject project on July 10, 2019. The project has been
assigned to Kelly Johnson and you will be notified if additional information is needed. Please be advised that the
construction of built -upon area may not commence until the Stormwater Permit is issued.
Best Regards,
Tina Burd
Administrative Associate II
Wilmington Regional Office
Division of Environmental Assistance & Customer Service
Phone [phone]
NCDEQ
Wilmington Regional Office
127 Cardinal Drive Ext.
Wilmington, NC 28405
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THE CULLIPHER GROUP, P.A.
ENGINEERING & SURVEYING SERVICES
HESTRON PLAZA TWO
151-A NC HWY 24
MOREHEAD CITY, NC 28557
P:[phone]
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To:
NCDEQ-DEMLR-STORMWATER SECTION
127 CARDINAL DRIVE EXT
WILMINGTON, NC 28405
WE ARE SENDING YOU:
JUL 10 2018
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DATE 7/9/19
JOB NO. PM1127-019
ATTENTION CHRISTINE HALL
RE: CARTERET GENERAL HOSPITAL-CARTERET
STORMWATER MINOR MODIFICATION
COPIES
DATE
NO.
DESCRIPTION
1/1
MINOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION
2
PLAN (SH1-COMPOSITE PLAN, REV 3)
1
DRAINAGE AREA MAP -DATED 6128/19
THESE ARE TRANSMITTED as checked below:
❑ For approval ❑Resubmit copies for approval
For your use ❑Submit copies for distribution
❑ As requested ❑✓ For review and comment
❑ FOR BIDS DUE
❑ PRINTS RETURNED AFTER LOAN TO US
REMARKS
PLEASE CALL WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
252-499-2166
COPY TO
SIGNED GINGERY. TURNER, PE

Hall, Christine
From: Hall, Christine
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:49 AM
To: Ginger Turner
Subject: RE: [External] Carteret General Hospital SW8 010220
Ginger,
Are these two areas in question within the same drainage area? If so, then it does sounds like a swap in BUA that could
be handled by a minor modification.
Per permit condition 11.9, any modification to the approved plans would need to be approved prior to construction.
Christine Hall
Environmental Engineer
Division of Energy, Mineral and Land Resources — State Stormwater Program
Department of Environmental Quality
910 796 7215 office
910 796 7335 direct
[e-mail]
127 Cardinal Drive Ext.
Wilmington, NC 28405
N-C.- "Nothir g Compares - .
Brail cor_-espcnderce to and f cm this address is sul ect to t;: o
North Carolina Publ :, Records Laiv and may i e dis;c.. osed to th,,,d parties.
From: Ginger Turner <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 2:45 PM
To: Hall, Christine <Christine. Hall@ ncdenr.gov>
Subject: [External] Carteret General Hospital SW8 010220
Good afternoon Christine,
Carteret General Hospital is proposing a 205 sf concrete pad to house a large air hander unit for the pharmacy. I
suggested they do a Minor Modification since they are also proposing gravel around the pad, which I recommended as
being pervious gravel per G.S. 143-217.7(b2). There are six parking spaces (56-61) that are not going to be constructed
located north of the central energy plant (see attached plan). The amount of impervious associated with these spaces is
1,054 sf.
My question is if this minor modification of relocating impervious must be approved/permitted prior to the construction
of the AHU. This will help determine which path to take, Standard or Express.
Thank you,