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R-5709 Final 4B Interagency Concurrence Point Meeting RK
Minutes
Date: October 21, 2020
Meeting Minutes: October 21, 2020
Location: Zoom Meeting
Time: 1:00 PM
Attendees: Paul Atkinson—NCDOT Hydraulics Chris Rivenbark—NCDOT EAU
Mike Sanderson—NCDOT EPU Terry Farr—NCDOT PMU
Mary Mays Yahl—RK&K Trent Cormier—RK&K
Kevin Alford -Wetherill Jerry Lindsay-Wetherill
Robert Patterson—NCDWR Matthew Harvey—Wetherill
Harminder Singh—Wetherill William Akabi-Davis—NCDOT Roadway Design
Benjamin Williamson - NCDOT PMU Brian Robinson—NCDOT Roadway Design
Gordon Cashin NCDOT- EPU Travis Wilson—NC Wildlife Commission
Elmo Vance—NCDOT PMU Mark Staley—NCDOT Roadside Env.
Pam Williams—NCDOT PMU Ray Lovinggood—NCDOT Hydraulics
Reuben Blakley—NCDOT Division 8 Rex Badgett—NCDOT Division 8
Rob Ridings- DWR
The 30% Hydraulic Review was held in order to reach agreement on concurrence point 4B for the R-5709 project in Moore and
Hoke Counties. The following items were discussed and conclusions reached:
Trent Cormier introduced the design team for the project. The project is broken up in to two design segments. The project is
approximately 15.65 miles from US 15-501 in Aberdeen to SR 1244(West Palmer Street)/SR 1311(Mockingbird Hill Road) in
Raeford.
Kevin Alford began the discussion on the plan sheets.
Plan sheet 4
• Stream SA: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill. Outlet protection will be on banks only. We do not anticipate
excessive storm outlet velocities.
Plan sheet 5
• Stream SD: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill. Outlet protection will be on banks only. We do not anticipate
excessive storm outlet velocities.
• Stream SC: Retain existing pipes in place and no need for pipe extensions. There are potential impacts where ditch
ties to the stream. Outlet protection will be on banks only. We do not anticipate excessive storm outlet velocities.
Plan sheet 6
• Stream SC: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill. Outlet protection will be on banks only. We do not anticipate
excessive storm outlet velocities.
Plan sheets 7-12
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 13
• No Impacts on this sheet. The pipe at approximately-L-Station 128+00+/- is showing up on the 4B plans as a 1@66"
RCP, but this has been revised since the 4B plans were created. The current proposed crossing is 2@48" RCP. Also,

the ditch coming into the inlet on the left side of-L-does not have rip rap on the 4B plan set but has been updated to
have rip rap on the current proposed plans.
Plan sheet 14
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 15
• Wetland WJ: Impacts due to roadway fill and outlet stabilization.
Plan sheet 15-16
• Wetland WJ impacts are due to roadway fill and outlet stabilization.
• Wetland WI and Stream SE: Stream SE impacts are due to roadway fill. Stream SE is just on the downstream of the
existing crossing. Wetland WI impacts are due to roadway fill and outlet stabilization. It was planned to drain the
pond upstream and maintain the wetlands by retaining a portion of the existing outlet control structure. There was
concern that this property was owned by the"Nature Conservancy" and it was stated that no coordination had been
done with the"Nature Conservancy" at this stage of project.
Plan sheet 17
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 18
• Wetland WM: Impacts due to outlet stabilization at the end of a roadway ditch.
Plan sheet 18-19
• Wetland WL,Wetland WM,Wetland WN, Pond PA and Stream SF: Pond PA and Wetland WN will be impacted due to
the removal of the pond dam at Pond PA. Stream SF and Wetland WM will be impacted due to roadway fill. Wetland
WL will be impacted due to roadway fill and outlet stabilization.
Plan sheets 20-23
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 24
• Stream SJ: Impacts due to roadway fill and outlet stabilization. A dissipator pad was used at the outlet of the
proposed pipes due excessive storm outlet velocities. Chris Rivenbark is verifying that the stream SJ is a JS.
• Wetland WW will not be impacted.
Plan sheets 25-31,66-69,73
• No Impacts
From this point forward,Trent Cormier led the discussion on each plan sheet.
Plan sheet 31-34
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 35
• Stream SG:This channel is jurisdictional only on the outlet end of the existing pipe. Impacts due to proposed roadway
fill. Outlet protection will be on banks only. We do not anticipate excessive storm outlet velocities.
Plan sheet 36-43
• No Impacts
Plan sheet 44
• Wetland WO: No Impacts or adverse effects.

Plan sheet 45
• Wetland WP: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill,toe protection and pipe outlet stabilization.
Plan sheet 45-46
• Wetland WQ: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill,toe protection and pipe outlet stabilization.
• Stream SH: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill and upstream pipe outlet. Outlet protection is on banks only. We do
not anticipate excessive storm outlet velocities.There was discussion on whether to bury the pipe that crosses the
match line. Based on our discussions we will bury the 42" pipe along stream SH and upsize to a 48"
• The stream SH and wetlands WQ and WP are all combined downstream outside of the project area.
Plan sheet 47-52
• No impacts.
Plan sheet 53
• Wetland WR: Impacts due to roadway fill.
• Gordon mentioned this site as a possible location where the wetlands may no longer be jurisdictional to USACE due to
new rules.Will wait for further clarification on new rules.
Plan sheet 54
• Pond PE: Impacts due to ditch connection to the pond. Minimal open water impacts anticipated.
Plan sheet 55-61
• No impacts.
Plan sheet 62
• Wetland WI: No Impacts, Outside of project area.
Plan sheet 63
• Wetland WT: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill and headwall construction
• Stream SM: Impacts due to proposed roadway fill and tail ditch. The existing system is flat and poorly graded, so the
tail ditch was required to maintain positive flow.
Plan sheet 64,65,70,71
• No impacts.
Plan sheet 72
• Wetland WY: No Impacts,Outside of project area.
After completing the review of the plans, Mr. Cormier asked if there were any additional comments and there were none.
The meeting adjourned.