20191760 Ver 1_Project Withdrawn_20200617

Carpenter, Kristi
From: Howard, Joel M
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:41 PM
To: Hood, Donna
Cc: Thompson, Larry B; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US); Chapman, Amy;
Carpenter,Kristi
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
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Donna
After discussing with Larry we would like to withdraw the Permit Application for C-5621 at this time.
Joel M. Howard
Environmental Specialist II
North Carolina Department of Transportation
704-983-4423 office
910-995-5836 mobile
Ihoward ncdot.gov
716 West Main Street
Albemarle NC 28001
From: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:01 AM
To: Howard, Joel M <[e-mail]>
Cc: Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US)
<[e-mail]>; Chapman, Amy <[e-mail]>; Carpenter, Kristi
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
Joel,
Because of the unknown status of resubmittal, DWR would recommend DOT withdraw the project and resubmit when
ready. If you respond to this email or type a new one specifically requesting to withdraw the project, it can be handled
without further complications.
Donna
From: Howard, Joel M
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:42 AM
To: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>

Cc: Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US)
<[e-mail]>; Chapman, Amy <[e-mail]>; Carpenter, Kristi
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
I don't think we'll make that date. To my knowledge all work as stopped on this project and I'm not aware of when it
might resume.
Joel M. Howard
Environmental Specialist II
North Carolina Department of Transportation
704-983-4423 office
910-995-5836 mobile
jhoward .ncdot.gov
716 West Main Street
Albemarle NC 28001
From: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:29 AM
To: Howard, Joel M <[e-mail]>
Cc: Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US)
<[e-mail]>; Chapman, Amy <[e-mail]>; Carpenter, Kristi
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
Joel,
When do you anticipate resubmitting? The current PCN you have submitted goes statutory on 6/29/2020. If resubmittal
is anticipated to be close to or after this date, DWR will need to issue a denial letter.
Thank you for confirming DOT's time frame for resubmittal.
Donna
From: Howard, Joel M
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:24 AM
To: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>
Cc: Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US)
<[e-mail]>; Chapman, Amy <[e-mail]>; Carpenter, Kristi
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
Yes. This project is on hold for now. So withdrawing the application and resubmitting when the time comes will be the
best option.

Joel M. Howard
Environmental Specialist II
North Carolina Department of Transportation
704-983-4423 office
910-995-5836 mobile
Ihoward ncdot.gov
716 West Main Street
Albemarle NC 28001
From: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:47 AM
To: Howard, Joel M <[e-mail]>
Cc: Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>; Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US)
<[e-mail]>; Chapman, Amy <[e-mail]>; Carpenter, Kristi
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [External] C5621
Joel,
Because you are having to resubmit and so much will change with that resubmittal, it is my recommendation that you
withdraw the first C-5621 PCN.
Let me know your thoughts.
Regards,
Donna
From: Amschler, Crystal C CIV USARMY CESAW (US) <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:42 AM
To: Howard, Joel M <[e-mail]>
Cc: Hood, Donna <[e-mail]>; Thompson, Larry B <[e-mail]>
Subject: [External] C5621
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Hey Joel,
The new GP50 has been issued and after review, it looks like the C5621 would qualify for this permit. As such, when you
are ready to get this project moving again, you can resubmit the request for authorization under GP50 and include the
revised PCN impact table and revised plans that you emailed me on May 7t" (or most recent plans if there have been any
other revisions).
The plans should also show how the stream ties into each pipe. Currently, the plans at site 2A in particular show the
pipe and the stream starting at a different location so the stream is not even shown going into the pipe. This needs

to be addressed. I'd also like to clarify where this stream outlets as there a lot of pipes in this area. Does the pipe that
carries the stream outlet at site 2B. again, just make sure your revised submittal addresses this.
Lastly, I'd like to note that we typically don't accept streams that are piped into stormwater systems as Site 2A is and
would require the stream to be placed in a culvert that maintains stream width and depth and aquatic
passage. Typically in this scenario, I would say that everything above the stream is a loss since the stream within pipe
doesn't maintain stream dimensions and fish passage is lost and mitigation would be required for the upstream length
as well as the piped lenght. This stream seems to be piped for a long distance and of poor quality (if I recall correctly)
and there is very limited stream length above the pipe so in this particular case, aquatic passage is no longer a
concern. I just want you to be aware of this as for future projects the stream should be placed within an appropriate
culvert unless you have some really good justification for that not to happen and are willing to mitigate for everything
cut off upstream.
Let me know if you have any questions about this info.
Thanks,
Crystal C. Amschler
Project Manager
Asheville Regulatory Field Office
151 Patton Avenue, Room 208
Asheville, NC 28403
(828)-271-7980 Ext 4231
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