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A en Klemeck
ivision of Water Quality
12 Salisbury Street/Archdale
Raleigh, NC 27609
Re: Neuse River Basin, Riparian Buffer Rules
Thompson Industrial Park
SR 2655 Mark's Creek Township
NBRRO 02-105, Wake County
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This letter is a formal request for a second opinion that property wi Lhin the
Thompson Industrial Park does or does not require Riparian Buffer RL)Ies. WTlANpg cROUE,"
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The property encompassed within this Industrial Park was once a tobacco field------
that has been permitted to "grow up" over the past 15 years or more. There is a heavy
cover of leaves and grass, but the entire area drains well. I have now had Durwood
Baker Surveys to make a topographic map of two of the lots and it shows good drainage.
I have a copy of the criteria that DENR has published for use in determining a
ditch from an intermittent or perennial stream. I believe the feature on this property to be
a drainage ditch.
I would like to accompany your representative when they visit this site. I would
need only a one day notice. My mobile telephone number is 919-625-7712.
Yours truly,
J C Edwards, PE
NC # 3269
Cc: Mr. Steve Mitchell, DWQ
Mr. Joseph C. Thompson, Owner
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Mr. J.C. Edwards (Consultant)
P.O. Box 33250
803 Mt. Vernon Road
Raleigh, NC 27636
Subject Property: Thompson Industrial Park, Three Sisters Rd (SR2655), Mark's Creek Township, NC
Unnamed tributary to Mark's Creek [03-04-02, 27-33-8, C NSW (nutrient sensitive)]
Alan W. Klimek, Director
Division of Water Quality
DWQ # 02-1253
NBR.RRO.19
Wake County
On-Site Determination for Applicability to the Neuse River Riparian Area Protection Rules (15A NCAC 2B .0233)
Dear Mr. Edwards:
On August 12, 2002, at your request I conducted an on-site determination to review a drainage feature (depicted as "creek" on the
attached survey initialed by DWQ staff on. August 12, 2002) on the subject property for applicability to the Neuse Buffer Rules (15A
NCAC 2B .0233). As a result of this on-site determination, the DWQ has determined that the drainage feature contains an ephemeral
stream not subject to the Neuse Buffer Rules. The feature was not reviewed south of the N&S Railroad.
The DWQ has conducted on-site determinations of this stream on two previous occasions. The first on-site determination was
conducted by Mr. Danny Smith (then of the DWQ Raleigh Regional Office (RRO)) on May 13, 1998 (see attached letter). Mr. Smith
determined that the stream was subject to the buffer rules. The second on-site determination was conducted by Mr. Steve Mitchell of
the RRO on April 9, 2002 (see attached letter). Mr. Mitchell determined that the stream was not subject to the buffer rules. Mr.
Mitchell was unaware that Mr. Smith had previously been to the site. It is our understanding (based on conversations with you) that
the local municipality would like confirmation that the stream is not subject since Mr. Smith originally determined that it was. This
resulted in your request that I review the stream. During my review I evaluated the stream using the "NC DWQ Stream Classification
Form". I calculated a score of 17.5 using this form (intermittent streams usually have a score of 19 points or greater). I used this
information, the fact that Mr. Mitchell's determination was conducted during a "wetter" time of year (i.e., April) and your statement
that the stream has no flow in it three days after a normal rain event to make my determination that the stream was ephemeral and not
subject to the buffer rules.
This letter only addresses the applicability to the buffer rules and does not approve any activity within the buffers. Nor does this letter
approve any activity within Waters of the United States or Waters of the State. Wetlands or other Waters of the U.S. may exist on the
property. You should contact the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to ensure compliance with wetland regulations. If you have any
additional questions or require additional information please call me at [phone].
Sincerely,
B CZarzecki, ESI
etlands / 401 Unit, DWQ
Attachment: Thompson Industrial Park survey, initialed and stamped by DWQ staff on August 12, 2002
June 12, 1998 On-Site Determination Letter from Mr. Danny Smith
May 13, 2002 On-Site Determination Letter from Mr. Steve Mitchell
Cc: Steve Mitchell, DWQ Raleigh Regional Office
File Copy
Central Files
Michael F. Easley
Governor
William G. Ross, Jr., Secretary
Department of Environment and Natural Resources
North Carolina Division of Water Quality, 401 Wetlands Certification Unit,
1650 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1650 (Mailing Address)
2321 Crabtree Blvd., Raleigh, NC 27604-2260 (Location)
919-733-1786 (phone), 919-733-6893 (fax), http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/ncwetlands/
State of North Carolina
Department of Environment
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Raleigh Regional Office
Michael F. Easley, Governor May 13 , 2 0 01 NCDENR
William G. Ross Jr., Secretary NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF,
J. C. Edwards. ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES
Post Office Box 33250
803 Mt. Vernon Road
Raleigh, N.C. 27636
Subject: Neuse River Basin
Riparian Buffer Rules
Thompson Industrial Park
S.R. 2655 Mark's Creek Township
NBRRO 02-105
Wake County
Dear Mr. Edwards:
The information that was received by theRaleigh Regional Office on April
9., 2002 has been reviewed. .The plat map and other information was
provided to allow a determination to be made as to whether or not the
site would require compliance,with the Neuse Buffer Rule. This specific
project is referenced by the Raleigh Regional Office as NBRRO 02-105.
The feature is represented on the Wake Soils map and on the USGS Wendell
Topographic Quad map. On May 3, 2002, I completed a site visit and
determined that there are no features present on this property that would
be subject to the Neuse River Basin: Nutrient Sensitive Waters Management
Strategy; Protection and Maintenance of Existing Riparian Areas,
Administrative Code T15A:02B.02.33 (NCAC 0233) .
This letter addresses only the applicability of the Neuse Buffer Rules.
For information relative to the Wetlands 401/404 issues, please contact
Mr. John Dorney at 919-733-1786. Thank you for your attention to this
matter and if this Office can be of any assistance or if you have
additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Sincerely,
Steve Mitchell
Environmental Scientist
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RALEIGH REGIONAL OFFICE
June 12, 1998
Talley Assocciates
8915 hwy 64 East
knightdale, NC 27545
Attn: Robert L. Talley, Sr., P.E., RLS
Dear Mr. Talley:
Subject: Neuse River Basin Riparian Rules
NBR-RRO-19
SR 2655
Wake County
On May. 13, 1998, I met with you at a proposed development near the junction of Hwy
64 and SR 2655 (Three. Sisters Road) in Wake County. At your request, an evaluation
was performed to determine whether the site would require compliance with the Neuse
River Buffer Requirements. There is a stream on the property which is subject to the
Neuse Buffer Rule. The stream starts at. approximately lot number 4 or 5 as indicated on
the attached map that you provided. That is, this stream which is circled and the
riparian area is subject to the 15A NCAC 2B .0233. (see attached map).
If you have any questions please call this office at (919) 5714700.
cc: RRO - file copy
Wetlands Group- John Dorney
Sincerely,
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Enviro ental Specialist
3800 BARRETT DRIVE, SUITS 101, RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA 27600
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A en Klemeck
ivision of Water Quality
12 Salisbury Street/Archdale
Raleigh, NC 27609
Re: Neuse River Basin, Riparian Buffer Rules
Thompson Industrial Park
SR 2655 Mark's Creek Township
NBRRO 02-105, Wake County
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Dear Mr. Klemeck:
This letter is a formal request for a second opinion that property within the
Thompson Industrial Park does or does not require Riparian Buffer Rules.
The property encompassed within this Industrial Park was once a tobacco field
that has been permitted to "grow up" over the past 15 years or more. There is a heavy
cover of leaves and grass, but the entire area drains well. I have now had Durwood
Baker Surveys to make a-topographic map of two of the lots and it shows good drainage.
I have a copy of the criteria that DENR has published for use in determining a
ditch from an intermittent or perennial stream. I believe the feature on this property to be
a drainage ditch.
I would like to accompany your representative when they visit this site. I would
need only a one day notice. My mobile telephone number is 919-625-7712.
Yours truly,
J C Edwards, PE
NC # 3269
Cc: Mr. Steve Mitchell, DWQ
Mr. Joseph C. Thompson, Owner

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