030033_Correspondence_20180302

RosebFock, Olelissa
From:
Hash, Linda - NRCS-CD, Sparta, NC < Linda. [e-mail]>
Sent:
Friday, March 02, 2018 3:09 PM
To:
Cartner, Daphne; Rosebrock, Melissa
Cc:
Chandler, Rebecca D; Young, Jeff
Subject:
[External] RE: Assistance In Alleghany County
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Daphne,
Melissa and Rebecca were just here and we discussed this farm. Janie is indeed retiring. Yesterday was her last day in the
office. I have been talking about retiring soon as well, but do not have a definite date in mind at this time. I am, however, over
loaded with my current projects as well as Janie's workload. If Mr. Atwood would like, I can visit the farm, but I have no JA for
designing anything structural. Melissa, if you would please talk to Mike and see which way he wants to go. I can complete a
request for technical assistance Daphne, if I need to. If he wants to call the office, I will be glad to talk to him, complete state or
federal cost share application. lust let me know.
Linda
Linda Hash, Director
Alleghany Soil and Water Conservation District
PO Box 127 (90 S. Main St., Rm 200)
Sparta, NC 28675-0127
Phone: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
From: Cartner, Daphne[mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 201812:27 PM
To: Rosebrock, Melissa <[e-mail]>
Cc: Chandler, Rebecca D <[e-mail]>; Young, Jeff <[e-mail]>; Hash, Linda - NRCS-CD, Sparta,
NC <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Assistance In Alleghany County
Melissa,
I can probably go look at the site but without cost share design work is not really available right now. I/we can make
recommendations but that's about it. I also cannot speak the availability of cost share as. it is handled by the county. If he is
interested in applying for either Ag Cost Share or EQIP, he will have to go through the field office. It would also be better to
have the field office staff involved from the get go if he is at all interested in applying for cost share. But again, I don't know the
county ranking process (as it varies from county to county) or what/where their current priorities lie.
If you send me contact and location information for Mr. Atwood. I will be glad to talk to him.
Daphne
Daphne Cartner
North Carolina Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services
Division of Soil and Water Conservation
Western Piedmont Technical Services Center
PO Box 845
Mocksville, NC 27028
Voice: [phone]

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From: Rosebrock, Melissa
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:28 PM
To: Cartner, Daphne <[e-mail]>
Cc: Chandler, Rebecca D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Assistance In Alleghany County
Hey Daphne,
Hope this finds you well. Wasn't sure what phone number to use so decided to email.
I've got a farmer who has a permit for beef cattle in Alleghany --- Mike Atwood. Mike also has a satellite feeding area
about 6 miles from the permitted farm. Mike has cattle on pasture at this satellite area and feeds beef cows at a
concrete pad/bunker (his own money). He also built an uncovered wet stack with large rectangular concrete blocks
(his own money) and pushes manure into this area. He has over 100 cattle (wants 250) but since they aren't confined
and are on pasture, Christine says this site does not need to be permitted. Manure from the pad area is applied onto
fields in his waste plan which is not a problem since he records it in his records.
The problem is that he's getting runoff from the lot onto a neighbor's property. No WQ issues so far. Mike just needs
some technical advice/suggestion/plan on how to deal with the waste. Maybe a berm? Says he can't afford to roof
the whole area or build a covered dry stack. I don't know enough to know his options ..... or if there is financial
assistance for this. He's a decent guy and I haven't really had problems with him over the years and he's done
whatever we've ask of him.
Linda retires in April (reportedly) and Janie is going in March. David Tucker is slammed handling all the waste plan
revisions that have piled up and is overseeing constructions at Joines and Gambill farms. Any assistance you could
provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm going up Friday to check since the run-off onto his neighbor was called in as
a complaint.
I tried to complete a tech assistance request online but I don't think it's meant for another agency to use since I
wasn't able to enter info into some fields.
Let me know what you think. Thank you.
Melissa
Melissa Rosebrock
Environmental Senior Specialist
NC Division of Water Resources
NC Department of Environmental Quality
336-776-9699 office
336-813-7084 mobile
melissa. rosebrock(a)-ncdenr.gov
Winston-Salem Regional Office
450 W. Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105

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Rosebrock, Melissa
From: Lawson, Christine
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 4:24 PM
To: Rosebrock, Melissa
Subject: Re: Atwood - Needs Permit?
I've been at a conference all day. I can get back to you tomorrow.
Christine B. Lawson
Program Manager
Animal Feeding Operations
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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Rosebrock, Melissa < mel issa. rose brock@ ncde n r.gov> wrote:
> Christine:
> Note sure what to do about this one. The Atwood's already have a permit for a dairy -turned -beef operation (AWC030033).
About 6 miles away, they have 108 cattle (and want more) on three "pastures" Pasture #1 is on one side of the gravel drive (34
acres) and pastures 2 & 3 (50 acres) on the other side (connected by crossing). Pasture #2 seems pretty denuded, even by
mountain/winter standards. I'm inclined to say it needs a permit. Dilemma: Pastures #1 and #3 are not too bad, considering it
has been snowing or raining here the last three months. I wouldn't permit #1 and #2.
> Do we permit all three pastures under their existing beef permit? Surely we wouldn't permit just pastures 2 & 3? The manure
from the feeding area is applied to acreage already in their waste plan/permit.
> Please excuse the very rough powerpoint and aerial as I was trying to get it to you today. Call and we can discuss. He's in the
process this week of moving the fence back from the trib to increase the buffer distance.
> Thanks for your assistance.
> Melissa Rosebrock
> Environmental Senior Specialist
> NC Division of Water Resources
> NC Department of Environmental Quality
> 336-776-9699 office
> 336-813-7084 mobile
> melissa. rose [e-mail]<maiIto: [e-mail]>
> Winston-Salem Regional Office
> 450 W. Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
> Winston-Salem, NC 27105
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Working on someone to
provide additional
technical assistance for
you. Hopefully you will
receive a call in the next
few days. If you decide
you DO want to apply
for State Ag Cost Share,
sign up with Linda. If
you want to apply for
EQIP (federal) contact
David Tucker. If you
need numbers let me
know. Thanks again for
your time today.

Rosebrock, Melissa
From: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:51 PM
To: Rosebrock, Melissa
Subject: RE: [External] RE: Alleghany Animal Waste Questions
'Uh
No problem there are 46 ways to spell the name per the Clan Irwin web site. Many spellings but same Clan.
John U. Irwin Jr.
MGySgt of Marines (Ret.)
297 Buckeye Ridge Run
Sparta, NC 28675
Home: 336 372 7009
Cell: 910 4091406
Email: [e-mail]
From: Rosebrock, Melissa <melissa.rose [e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:36 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: [External] RE: Alleghany Animal Waste Questions
You are welcome. My apologizes for misspelling your last name.
Melissa Rosebrock
Environmental Senior Specialist
NC Division of Water Resources
NC Department of Environmental Quality
336-776-9699 office
336-813-7084 mobile
melissa.rosebrock()-ncdenr.gov
Winston-Salem Regional Office
450 W. Hanes Mill Road, Suite 300
Winston-Salem, NC 27105
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Subject: [External] RE: Alleghany Animal Waste Questions
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John U. Irwin Jr.
MGySgt of Marines (Ret.)
297 Buckeye Ridge Run
Sparta, NC 28675
Home: 336 372 7009
Cell: 910 4091406
Email: [e-mail]
From: Rosebrock, Melissa <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:31 PM
To: [e-mail]
Cc: Lawson, Christine <Christine.Lawson 2ncdenr.gov>; Knight, Sherri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Alleghany Animal Waste Questions
Commissioner Erwin,
Thank you for your call this afternoon requesting information regarding animal waste regulation in NC. Attached is
the NCGS that I mentioned. This statute tells us (regulators) who needs to be permitted. It usually dictates to me
which way to proceed with regards to a complaint.
For example, if a facility is NOT ptmitted, then we must first determine whether a violation, of State or Federal Law
has occurred prior to issuing a Notice of Violation or pursuing enforcement against an owner. A violation of NC stream
standard(s) (dissolved oxygen, fecal coliform, pH, etc.) is determined by sampling according to protocol.. This usually
entails stream sampling up and downstream of the alleged impact. Note that a downstream freshwater pond can
have many influences on it such as wildlife, waterfowl, lawn fertilizer, plant material, etc. so a sample from the pond
is not usually definitive proof that an upstream activity has caused an impact to the pond. If there is an observed or
documented direct discharge of waste from a property into surface waters, we can pursue this as a violation of NCGS
143-215.1. Also: if waste or fresh water runs off a non p"'—'-' bed farm onto a neighboring property, and not into a
stream, then this is usually a civil matter.
In addition to the above, if the cattle operation is permitted; then we would investigate for additional violations of the
Cattle Waste Management Permit. The attached permit is several pages long. If a farm is not permitted, but needs to
be, then that is a priority for our office.
I trust this has helped answer your questions. The NC General Statutes and Administrative Codes are 100s of pages
long but I have tried to hit the highlights. If you have additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me
again.
Best regards,
Melissa Rosebrock
Melissa Rosebrock
Environmental Senior Specialist
NC Division of Water Resources
NC Department of Environmental Quality
336-776-9699 office
336-813-7084 mobile
melissa. rosebrock()-ncdenr.gov

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