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Subject: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
From: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:43:08 -0400
To: <[e-mail]>, "Linda Lewis" <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, "Nikki Thomson" <[e-mail]>, "Sean Clark"
<[e-mail]>
CC: "Stephen Rynas" <[e-mail]>, "Ian McMillan" <[e-mail]>
All
I have questions related specifically to the proposed stormwater management.
The fill to the tributary - will this be culverted to the proposed pump station or swaled? Also, it is unclear
from the plans that were submitted to me, how the stormwater would be conveyed to the proposed
Greenville Pump Station. Probably the best thing you do is send a copy of the stormwater plans to
me.... even a .pdf would do.
Speaking of the Greenville Pump Station, well as the two stormwater ponds and the stormwater pipes to
the ponds. They are technically situated outside the original project area. I am wrestling with two
issues. The first is the lack of a JD for these new areas and secondly, are they truly part of the original
single and complete project -thus our scope of analysis. Would the stormater management changes
be occuring if the roads were not upgraded? Is it a stand-alone project, so to speak? Is the funding
coming from the same pot of money? We may need to include these areas in the scope of analysis and
may very well change your purpose and need.
That said, unless the additional areas of work (specifically the ponds and utility lines) involves additional
wetland or waters impact or - Heaven forbid - a cultural resource or T&E species, this is probably not
going to be a HUGE issue. Just please understand that if the two projects (the street improvements and
stormwater management plan) are linked -financially, structurally, logistically - we will have to include all
components of both in our NEPA and 404(b)(1) guidelines analysis.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the publicTo help us ensure we
continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http -//regulatory. usacesurvey. cons/ to complete the survey online.
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Wilmington Street Beach Improvements Project ( DCM#20070088)
Subject: Wilmington Street Beach Improvements Project ( DCM#20070088)
From: Stephen Rynas <Stephen. Rynas@ncmail. net>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:12:08 -0400
To: Nikki Thomson <[e-mail]>
CC: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <[e-mail]>, [e-mail], Linda
Lewis <[e-mail]>, [e-mail], Sean Clark <[e-mail]>,
Ian McMillan <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Thank you for submitting the Stormwater approval and the updated EEP acceptance
letter. Below is a quick review on the status of the items we need for the
consistency concurrence.
*1. EEP acceptance Letter: Done
*2. 401 Water Quality Certification: Your letter of July 30, 2008 noted the need
for a modification to the previously approved 401 Water Quality Certification. In
your email of 9/15/2008 you wrote: "With respect to the 401 modification, I haven't
heard back from DWQ yet. I will follow up with Ian McMillan, unless he weighs in
with his thoughts on this email chain." What is the current status?
*3. Stormwater Permit: Done
*4. Erosion and Sediment Control Plan: Status? Specifically, will one be required?
If so, when do you expect it to be issued?
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Wilmington Beach Street project; S&EC project No. 6253; USACE ...
Subject: Wilmington Beach Street project; S&EC project No. 6253; USACE Action ID SAW
2007-00912-065; DWQ No. 20071445
From: "Nikki Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:23:14 -0400
To: "Ian McMillan" <[e-mail]>
Hi Ian!
I'm sure you've seen all the email flying back and forth about the above project. As you know, I re-submitted an
updated package to you on 7/31/2008. You (DWQ) had previously issued an approval on 1/17/08, however, the
USACE and DCM still had issues with the project as it was. We had an interagency meeting in March with the
USACE, DCM, DWQ (Coastal Stormwater - Linda Lewis) and the Town to discuss the concerns. One of those
was Linda's stormwater concerns. It was decided at that time to develop a stormwater management plan that
not only treated the proposed roadway infrastructure, but one that would treat that entire area (which currently
receives no treatment). That, of course, necessitated 2 new pump stations and 2 new stormwater ponds. One
of the pump stations is going to be located on the confluence of 3 jurisdictional "ditches" (as determined by
Jennifer Frye); this plan increases the ditch impacts by 116 linear feet. I also need to point out that the Town
voluntarily dropped Spot Lane which reduced the wetland impacts by about '/z acre.
I have attached a copy of the stormwater Approval for your files.
We are still working through the analysis and documentation with the USACE and DCM; the project area has
gotten bigger because of the location of the ponds. DCM can't (and won't) issue their consistency review until
we have a 401 Approval.
So, all of the above being said, are you ok with the project information that I have supplied to you? Jennifer has
decided that the project does not need to go to another public notice (and I can forward that email to you). I am
basically checking in with a status request of the project review. I'd like to be able let DCM and Jennifer know
where it is.
Thanks so much!
Nik
Nicole Thomson
Regulatory Specialist
Soil & Environmental Consultants, PA
1 1010 Raven Ridge Road
Raleigh, NC 27614
E-Mail: [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Mobile: [phone]
www.SandEC.com
Mgmt. Permit
Content-Description: SW8 Stormwater 080738.pdf
Stormwater Mgmt. Permit SW8 080738.pdf Content-Type: application/octet-stream
Content-Encoding: base64
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RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/...
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
From: "Nikki Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:56:31 -0400
To: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <Jennifer. S. [e-mail]. army. mil>, <becox@belIsouth. net>,
"Linda Lewis" <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, "Sean Clark"
<[e-mail]>
CC: "Stephen Rynas" <Stephen. Rynas@ncmail. net>, "Ian McMillan" <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Good morning Jennifer!
See my comments below.
From: Frye, Jennifer S SAW [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:30 AM
To: Nikki Thomson; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
Nikki,
Thanks for the email. Just so everyone understands - as the stormwater management plan is related to the road
improvement project (financially, logistically), all components of the stormwater plan will be evaluated as part of the single
and complete project. Understood and thank you for the explanation.
That said, the "newly-added" areas for the stormwater (the two ponds and their outfall structures, the corridor for the force
mains (from the pump stations to the ponds), the corridor to the Greenville PS, and the pump stations themselves) needs to
have Corps verification for the purposes of the JD. Please submit the proper JD package for these areas - upland data
sheets, photos, wetland data sheets (where applicable), soils information, etc. The appropriate JD package will be put
together and sent to your attention, is one copy sufficient or do you need more'?
Also, since the areas of the proposed ponds are owned by Army (re: MOTSU), please provide property owner permission
for entry and any documents/lease agreements/easements etc. which would allow the Town access onto Army property for
construction and maintenance. Please ensure that, if we need to do a quick site visit to these area, the project limits are
clearly marked in the field w/ stakes, flagging, etc. I will request confirmation and documentation from the Town
on the MOTSU; additionally, I will make a request of the project limits being staked as well.
Secondly, need to have a clear depiction of what is proposed vs. exisiting. I'm hoping the stormwater plans will show this.
I'm assuming the force mains would be new, so we need to know where these will be installed and if any JD crossings
would occur. I the outfall structures for the ponds necesitate fill into Henniker's Ditch, that is a regulated impact that needs
to be included. Like I said, I hope the stormwater plans depict all of this. To my knowledge, there is nothing
e, isting with respect to the stormwoter (except the jurisdictional ditches). The force mains will be new
,aV!d care going to be placed in the roadway (necessitating road closings, etc for the work -- the roods
whe:rc, The force mains are planned are already in existence), ?hers: should be no new "jurisdictional"
171pects associated with the force mains (outside of those requested for the Greenville pump station). :C
will request clarification from the project engineer with respect to outfall locations to ensure that there
rwe no impacts associated with it.
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While I do not forsee any huge "show-stoppers" b/c of this and the Corps recognizes the efforts that the Town is going to
reduce direct impacts to JD areas and to manage the stormwater for an area that desperately needs managing, it does change
our scope of analysis when the project area is expanded. Is there anything else that I can supply you w th to I-c p
with the analysis? Is there any more documentation, outside of what is discussed above, that you need
from me?
Finally, please check with DWQ - if you haven't done so already, to determine if your 401 will need modified. When I
re-submitted all the information to both the USACE and [)CM, I also resubmitted to DWQ and requested
a "modification" of the previous approval. I anticipated it being necessary as we significantly reduced the
wetland impacts and moderately increased the ditch impacts.
Thanks again Jennifer. and please, let me know if there is anything else that I can do-to help this pro,?ect
alcrig,
Nik
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure we
continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http://regulatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
From: Nikki Thomson [mailto:nthomson(a-)sandec.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Frye, Jennifer S SAW; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
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Importance: High
Jennifer:
The proposed fill on this project is for the road widening itself as well as fill to one ditch for the Greenville Pump station.
The other 2 ditches that intersect at the proposed pump station location will be piped; the impact map provided in the
re-submittal shows the existing pipe system as well as the proposed pipe extensions. The stormwater associated with the
roadways will be conducted to the pump station via the grass swales/ditches on the roadway. From the Greenville Pump
Station to the pond, the stormwater is being pumped through a force main in the roadway. I have already spoken with
Brian Cox and he is forwarding you a hard copy of the Approved Stormwater Plans.
S&EC delineated the additional wetlands in the vicinity of the proposed Greenville Pump Station. The ditches in that area
were, by necessity, also picked up. As stated in the re-submittal, the wetland impact was avoided completely, however, the
ditch impacts cannot be (in order to pick up and pump the stormwater to the ponds for treatment). As for the project area
discussion, the only impacts that are outside the project area are those associated with the one pump station. Everything
else has been located in the uplands. To answer your original question, the stormwater ponds was a direct result of the
stormwater issues raised during the interagency meeting in March. In order to secure the 404 and 401 Approvals, Coastal
Stormwater Approvals must also be secured. In order to get that Coastal Stormwater Approval from NC DWQ, the Town
had to devise a way to provide treatment for the roadside stormwater. In doing so, they have now created a system that will
treat ALL the stormwater for that entire area, where there previously was none. If the stormwater requirement was not
directly tied to the 404/401, then no, the Town would not be doing this stormwater system. The funding for this stormwater
management/treatment system is coming form the same funds as the roads. The purpose and need of the project has not
changed; provide paved access to historically platted lots and to subsequently address the need and demand for housing in
the area.
As stated here and in the re-submittal package, the Town has significantly reduced the overall wetland impacts and is
providing stormwater treatment to areas that previously received none. The requirement of the stormwater treatment,
however, necessitates an additional 116 LF of permanent ditch impact.
All of the above being said, what are the potential fall outs, now, for this project as a whole? What other information do
you need S&EC and/or Engineering Services to supply to you for the decision document?
Thank you,
Nikki
From: Frye, Jennifer S SAW [mailto:Jennifer.S.Frye(a)saw02.usace.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:43 PM
To: [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Nikki Thomson; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
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All:
I have questions related specifically to the proposed stormwater management.
The fill to the tributary - will this be culverted to the proposed pump station or swaled? Also, it is unclear from the plans
that were submitted to me, how the stormwater would be conveyed to the proposed Greenville Pump Station. Probably the
best thing you do is send a copy of the stormwater plans to me.... even a.pdf would do.
Speaking of the Greenville Pump Station, well as the two stormwater ponds and the stormwater pipes to the ponds. They
are technically situated outside the original project area. I am wrestling with two issues. The first is the lack of a JD for
these new areas and secondly, are they truly part of the original single and complete project -thus our scope of analysis.
Would the stormater management changes be occuring if the roads were not upgraded? Is it a stand-alone project, so to
speak? Is the funding coming from the same pot of money? We may need to include these areas in the scope of analysis
and may very well change your purpose and need.
That said, unless the additional areas of work (specifically the ponds and utility lines) involves additional wetland or waters
impact or - Heaven forbid - a cultural resource or T&E species, this is probably not going to be a HUGE issue. Just please
understand that if the two projects (the street improvements and stormwater management plan) are linked -financially,
structurally, logistically - we will have to include all components of both in our NEPA and 404(b)(1) guidelines analysis.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure we
continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http://reguIatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
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RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/...
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
From: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <Jennifer. [e-mail]. army. mil>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:07:27 -0400
To: "Nikki Thomson" <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, "Linda Lewis"
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, "Sean Clark" <[e-mail]>
CC: "Stephen Rynas" <Stephen. Rynas@ncmail. net>, "Ian McMillan" <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Okay - see my responses below.
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure
we continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http://regulatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
From: Nikki Thomson [maiIto: nthomson(c),sandec.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:57 AM
To: Frye, Jennifer S SAW; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
Good morning Jennifer!
See my comments below.
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From: Frye, Jennifer S SAW [mailto:Jennifer.S.Frye('Osaw02.usace.army.mil]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:30 AM
To: Nikki Thomson; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
Nikki,
Thanks for the email. Just so everyone understands - as the stormwater management plan is related to the road
improvement project (financially, logistically), all components of the stormwater plan will be evaluated as part of
the single and complete project. Understood and thank you for the explanation. You are very welcome.
That said, the "newly-added" areas for the stormwater (the two ponds and their outfall structures, the corridor for
the force mains (from the pump stations to the ponds), the corridor to the Greenville PS, and the pump stations
themselves) needs to have Corps verification for the purposes of the JD. Please submit the proper JD package for
these areas - upland data sheets, photos, wetland data sheets (where applicable), soils information, etc. The
appropriate JD package will be put together and sent to your attention; is one copy sufficient or do you need
more? One is fine.
Also, since the areas of the proposed ponds are owned by Army (re: MOTSU), please provide property owner
permission for entry and any documents/lease agreements/easements etc. which would allow the Town access onto
Army property for construction and maintenance. Please ensure that, if we need to do a quick site visit to these
area, the project limits are clearly marked in the field w/ stakes, flagging, etc. I will request confirmation and
documentation from the Town on the MOTSU; additionally, I will make a request of the project limits being
staked as well. Thanks.
Secondly, need to have a clear depiction of what is proposed vs. exisiting. I'm hoping the stormwater plans will
show this. I'm assuming the force mains would be new, so we need to know where these will be installed and if
any JD crossings would occur. 1 the outfall structures for the ponds necesitate fill into Henniker's Ditch, that is a
regulated impact that needs to be included. Like I said, I hope the stormwater plans depict all of this. To my
knowledge, there is nothing existing with respect to the stormwater (except the jurisdictional ditches). The force
mains will be new and are going to be placed in the roadway (necessitating road closings, etc. for the work the
roads where the force mains are planned are already in existence). There should be no new jurisdictional
impacts associated with the force mains (outside of those requested for the Greenville pump station). I will
request clarification from the project engineer with respect to outfall locations to ensure that there are no impacts
associated with it. Great, thanks. I will look for a copy of the plans to be coming from the engineer. Has the
stormwater permit been issued?
While I do not forsee any huge "show-stoppers" b/c of this and the Corps recognizes the efforts that the Town is
going to reduce direct impacts to JD areas and to manage the stormwater for an area that desperately needs
managing, it does change our scope of analysis when the project area is expanded. Is there anything else that I can
supply you with to help with the analysis? Is there any more documentation, outside of what is discussed above,
that you need from me? If you would like to take a crack at a secondary and cumulative impact analysis, be my
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guest. Lately, lots of consultants provide a word-version of their analysis that we, in turn, incorporate into our
final document.... helps speed up the process. If I can, I'll send you a copy of a final EA from another project so
you can see what ours typically look like.
Finally, please check with DWQ - if you haven't done so already, to determine if your 401 will need modified.
When I re-submitted all the information to both the USACE and DCM, I also resubmitted to DWQ and requested a
modification of the previous approval. I anticipated it being necessary as we significantly reduced the wetland
impacts and moderately increased the ditch impacts. Any response from DWQ?
Thanks again Jennifer and please, let me know if there is anything else that I can do to help this project along.
Nik
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure
we continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http:Hregulatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
From: Nikki Thomson [mailto:nthomsonnsandec.com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Frye, Jennifer S SAW; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
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Importance: High
Jennifer:
The proposed fill on this project is for the road widening itself as well as fill to one ditch for the Greenville Pump
station. The other 2 ditches that intersect at the proposed pump station location will be piped; the impact map
provided in the re-submittal shows the existing pipe system as well as the proposed pipe extensions. The
stormwater associated with the roadways will be conducted to the pump station via the grass swales/ditches on the
roadway. From the Greenville Pump Station to the pond, the stormwater is being pumped through a force main in
the roadway. I have already spoken with Brian Cox and he is forwarding you a hard copy of the Approved
Stormwater Plans.
S&EC delineated the additional wetlands in the vicinity of the proposed Greenville Pump Station. The ditches in
that area were, by necessity, also picked up. As stated in the re-submittal, the wetland impact was avoided
completely, however, the ditch impacts cannot be (in order to pick up and pump the stormwater to the ponds for
treatment). As for the project area discussion, the only impacts that are outside the project area are those
associated with the one pump station. Everything else has been located in the uplands. To answer your original
question, the stormwater ponds was a direct result of the stormwater issues raised during the interagency meeting
in March. In order to secure the 404 and 401 Approvals, Coastal Stormwater Approvals must also be secured. In
order to get that Coastal Stormwater Approval from NC DWQ, the Town had to devise a way to provide treatment
for the roadside stormwater. In doing so, they have now created a system that will treat ALL the stormwater for
that entire area, where there previously was none. If the stormwater requirement was not directly tied to the
404/401, then no, the Town would not be doing this stormwater system. The funding for this stormwater
management/treatment system is coming form the same funds as the roads. The purpose and need of the project
has not changed; provide paved access to historically platted lots and to subsequently address the need and
demand for housing in the area.
As stated here and in the re-submittal package, the Town has significantly reduced the overall wetland impacts
and is providing stormwater treatment to areas that previously received none. The requirement of the stormwater
treatment, however, necessitates an additional 116 LF of permanent ditch impact.
All of the above being said, what are the potential fall outs, now, for this project as a whole? What other
information do you need S&EC and/or Engineering Services to supply to you for the decision document?
Thank you,
Nikki
From: Frye, Jennifer S SAW [mailto:Jennifer.S.Frye(a,saw02.usace.army.milI
4 of 6 9/15/2008 11:38 AM
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:43 PM
To: [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Nikki Thomson; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
All
I have questions related specifically to the proposed stormwater management.
The fill to the tributary - will this be culverted to the proposed pump station or swaled? Also, it is unclear from the
plans that were submitted to me, how the stormwater would be conveyed to the proposed Greenville Pump
Station. Probably the best thing you do is send a copy of the stormwater plans to me.... even a.pdf would do.
Speaking of the Greenville Pump Station, well as the two stormwater ponds and the stormwater pipes to the ponds.
They are technically situated outside the original project area. I am wrestling with two issues. The first is the lack
of a JD for these new areas and secondly, are they truly part of the original single and complete project -thus our
scope of analysis. Would the stormater management changes be occuring if the roads were not upgraded? Is it a
stand-alone project, so to speak? Is the funding coming from the same pot of money? We may need to include
these areas in the scope of analysis and may very well change your purpose and need.
That said, unless the additional areas of work (specifically the ponds and utility lines) involves additional wetland
or waters impact or - Heaven forbid - a cultural resource or T&E species, this is probably not going to be a HUGE
issue. Just please understand that if the two projects (the street improvements and stormwater management plan)
are linked -financially, structurally, logistically - we will have to include all components of both in our NEPA and
404(b)(1) guidelines analysis.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
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The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure
we continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http://regulatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
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PROGRAM
September 15, 2008
Bill Clark
Town of Carolina Beach
1121 North Lake Park Blvd
Carolina Beach, NC 28428 Expiration of Acceptance: June 15, 2009
Project: Wilmington Beach Street Improvement County: New Hanover
The purpose of this letter is to notify you that the North Carolina Ecosystem Enhancement Program (NCEEP) is willing to accept
payment for impacts associated with the above referenced project. Please note that this decision does not assure that the payment will
be approved by the permit issuing agencies as mitigation for project impacts. It is the responsibility of the applicant to contact these
agencies to determine if payment to the NCEEP will be approved.
This acceptance is valid for nine months from the date of this letter and is not transferable. If we have not received a copy of the
issued 404 Permit/401 Certification/CAMA permit within this time frame, this acceptance will expire. It is the applicant's
responsibility to send copies of the permits to NCEEP. Once NCEEP receives a copy of the permit(s) an invoice will be issued based
on the required mitigation in that permit and payment must be made prior to conducting the authorized work. The amount of the In
Lieu Fee to be paid to NCEEP by an applicant is calculated based upon the Fee Schedule and policies listed at www.nceep.net.
Based on the information supplied by you the impacts that may require compensatory mitigation are summarized in the following
table.
River CU Stream (feet) Wetlands (acres) Buffer I Buffer 11
Basin T
Location (Sq. Ft.) (Sq. Ft.)
Cold Cool Warm Riparian Non-Ri ariun Coastal Marsh
Impacts Cape 03030005 0 0 0 0 1.80 0 0 0
Fear
Credits Cape 03030005 0 0 0 0 3.60 0 0 0
Fear
Upon receipt of payment, EEP will take responsibility for providing the compensatory mitigation. If the regulatory agencies require
mitigation credits greater than indicated above, and the applicant wants NCEEP to be responsible for the additional mitigation, the
applicant will need to submit a mitigation request to NCEEP for approval prior to permit issuance. The mitigation will be performed
in accordance with the Memorandum of Understanding between the N. C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources and the
U. S. Army Corps of Engineers dated November 4, 1998.
If you have any questions or need additional information, please contact Valerie Mitchener at [phone] or Kelly Williams at
[phone].
Sincerely,
W li m D. Gilmore, PE VV
Director
cc: Cyndi Karoly, NCDWQ Wetlands/401 Unit
Kim Garvey, USACE-Wilmington
Chad Coburn, NCDWQ-Wilmington
Steve Rynas, NCDCM ©? A
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North Carolina Ecosystem Enhancement Program, 1652 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1652 / 91 9-71 5-0476 / www.nceep.net
RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/...
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
From: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <Jennifer. S. [e-mail]. army. mil>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:29:47 -0400
To: "Nikki Thomson" <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, "Linda Lewis"
<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, "Sean Clark" <[e-mail]>
CC: "Stephen Rynas" <Stephen. Rynas@ncmail. net>, "Ian McMillan" <[e-mail]>
Nikki,
Thanks for the email. Just so everyone understands - as the stormwater management plan is related to the road
improvement project (financially, logistically), all components of the stormwater plan will be evaluated as part of
the single and complete project.
That said, the "newly-added" areas for the stormwater (the two ponds and their outfall structures, the corridor for
the force mains (from the pump stations to the ponds), the corridor to the Greenville PS, and the pump stations
themselves) needs to have Corps verification for the purposes of the JD. Please submit the proper JD package for
these areas - upland data sheets, photos, wetland data sheets (where applicable), soils information, etc. Also, since
the areas of the proposed ponds are owned by Army (re: MOTSU), please provide property owner permission for
entry and any documents/lease agreements/easements etc. which would allow the Town access onto Army property
for construction and maintenance. Please ensure that, if we need to do a quick site visit to these area, the project
limits are clearly marked in the field w/ stakes, flagging, etc.
Secondly, need to have a clear depiction of what is proposed vs. exisiting. I'm hoping the stormwater plans will
show this. I'm assuming the force mains would be new, so we need to know where these will be installed and if
any JD crossings would occur. I the outfall structures for the ponds necesitate fill into Henniker's Ditch, that is a
regulated impact that needs to be included. Like I said, I hope the stormwater plans depict all of this.
While I do not forsee any huge "show-stoppers" b/c of this and the Corps recognizes the efforts that the Town is
going to reduce direct impacts to JD areas and to manage the stormwater for an area that desperately needs
managing, it does change our scope of analysis when the project area is expanded.
Finally, please check with DWQ - if you haven't done so already, to determine if your 401 will need modified.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
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From: Nikki Thomson [mailto:nthomsonnsandec.coml
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Frye, Jennifer S SAW; [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: RE: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
Importance: High
Jennifer:
The proposed fill on this project is for the road widening itself as well as fill to one ditch for the Greenville Pump
station. The other 2 ditches that intersect at the proposed pump station location will be piped; the impact map
provided in the re-submittal shows the existing pipe system as well as the proposed pipe extensions. The
stormwater associated with the roadways will be conducted to the pump station via the grass swales/ditches on the
roadway. From the Greenville Pump Station to the pond, the stormwater is being pumped through a force main in
the roadway. I have already spoken with Brian Cox and he is forwarding you a hard copy of the Approved
Stormwater Plans.
S&EC delineated the additional wetlands in the vicinity of the proposed Greenville Pump Station. The ditches in
that area were, by necessity, also picked up. As stated in the re-submittal, the wetland impact was avoided
completely, however, the ditch impacts cannot be (in order to pick up and pump the stormwater to the ponds for
treatment). As for the project area discussion, the only impacts that are outside the project area are those
associated with the one pump station. Everything else has been located in the uplands. To answer your original
question, the stormwater ponds was a direct result of the stormwater issues raised during the interagency meeting
in March. In order to secure the 404 and 401 Approvals, Coastal Stormwater Approvals must also be secured. In
order to get that Coastal Stormwater Approval from NC DWQ, the Town had to devise a way to provide treatment
for the roadside stormwater. In doing so, they have now created a system that will treat ALL the stormwater for
that entire area, where there previously was none. If the stormwater requirement was not directly tied to the
404/401, then no, the Town would not be doing this stormwater system. The funding for this stormwater
management/treatment system is coming form the same funds as the roads. The purpose and need of the project
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has not changed; provide paved access to historically platted lots and to subsequently address the need and
demand for housing in the area.
As stated here and in the re-submittal package, the Town has significantly reduced the overall wetland impacts
and is providing stormwater treatment to areas that previously received none. The requirement of the stormwater
treatment, however, necessitates an additional 1 l6 LF of permanent ditch impact.
All of the above being said, what are the potential fall outs, now, for this project as a whole? What other
information do you need S&EC and/or Engineering Services to supply to you for the decision document?
Thank you,
Nikki
From: Frye, Jennifer S SAW [mailto:Jennifer.S.Frye ZTsaw02.usace.army.mil]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:43 PM
To: [e-mail]; Linda Lewis; [e-mail]; Nikki Thomson; Sean Clark
Cc: Stephen Rynas; Ian McMillan
Subject: Stormwater Question/Wilmington Beach Street Improvements/2007-00912
All:
I have questions related specifically to the proposed stormwater management.
The fill to the tributary - will this be culverted to the proposed pump station or swaled? Also, it is unclear from the
plans that were submitted to me, how the stormwater would be conveyed to the proposed Greenville Pump
Station. Probably the best thing you do is send a copy of the stormwater plans to me.... even a.pdf would do.
Speaking of the Greenville Pump Station, well as the two stormwater ponds and the stormwater pipes to the ponds.
They are technically situated outside the original project area. I am wrestling with two issues. The first is the lack
of a JD for these new areas and secondly, are they truly part of the original single and complete project -thus our
scope of analysis. Would the stormater management changes be occuring if the roads were not upgraded? Is it a
stand-alone project, so to speak? Is the funding coming from the same pot of money? We may need to include
these areas in the scope of analysis and may very well change your purpose and need.
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That said, unless the additional areas of work (specifically the ponds and utility lines) involves additional wetland
or waters impact or - Heaven forbid - a cultural resource or T&E species, this is probably not going to be a HUGE
issue. Just please understand that if the two projects (the street improvements and stormwater management plan)
are linked -financially, structurally, logistically - we will have to include all components of both in our NEPA and
404(b)(1) guidelines analysis.
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Jennifer S. Frye
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Wilmington Regulatory Field Office
PO Box 1890 (Mail)
69 Darlington (Location)
Wilmington, North Carolina 28402-1890
Office: 910-251-4923
Fax: [phone]
The Wilmington District is committed to providing the highest level of support to the public. To help us ensure
we continue to do so, please complete the Customer Satisfaction Survey located at our website at
http://regulatory.usacesurvey.com/ to complete the survey online.
4 of 4 9/15/2008 10:26 AM
Re: Wilmington Street Beach Improvements Project ( DCM#20070088)
Subject: Re: Wilmington Street Beach Improvements Project ( DCM#20070088)
From: [e-mail]
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:41:30 +0000
To: Stephen Rynas <[e-mail]>, Nikki Thomson <[e-mail]>
CC: "Frye, Jennifer S SAW" <Jennifer. S. [e-mail]. army. mil>, Linda Lewis
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail], Sean Clark <[e-mail]>, Ian
McMillan <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Stephen,
In response to your item #4, an erosion control permit is required for this project. The application was
submitted to the Wilmington Regional Office and received on August 18, 2008. We hope to have the
permit in the next 30 days.
Brian Cox
Engineering Services, PA
919-662-7272
-------------- Original message from Stephen Rynas <Stephen. Rynas@ncmail. net>: --------------
> Thank you for submitting the Stormwater approval and the updated EEP
> acceptance letter. Below is a quick review on the status of the items
> we need for the consistency concurrence.
> * 1. EEP acceptance Letter: Done
> *2. 401 Water Quality Certification: Your letter of July 30, 2008 noted
> the need for a modification to the previously approved 401 Water Quality
> Certification. In your email of 9/15/2008 you wrote: "With respect to
> the 401 modification, I haven't heard back from DWQ yet. I will follow
> up with Ian McMillan, unless he weighs in with his thoughts on this
> email chain." What is the current status?
> *3. Stormwater Permit: Done
> *4. Erosion and Sediment Control Plan: Status? Specifically, will one
> be required? If so, when do you expect it to be issued?
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