20080737_U-2519BA_Draft 4C_Meeting_Minutes_20170217

Memorandum of Meeting - DRAFT
Date: February 17, 2017
Place: NCDOT, Structures Unit Conference Room, 9:00 A.M.
Team Members: Ron Lucas (FHWA)
Joanne Steenhuis (NCDWR)
Liz Hair (USACE) - Phone
Dr. Cynthia Van Der Wiele (USEPA) - Phone
Travis Wilson (NCWRC) - Phone
Gary Jordan (USFWS) - Absent
Others Present Jeff Meador. PE (RK&K)
Alexis Stys, EI (RK&K)
Paul Atkinson, PE (NCDOT- Hydraulics)
Brook Anderson, PE (NCDOT- Hydraulics)
Keith Paschal (NCDOT-SMU)
Mark Staley (NCDOT- REU)
Jim Rerko (NCDOT- Div. 6)
Hemal Shah (NCDOT- TPB)
Sam St. Clair (NCDOT Roadway)
Jay Mclnnis (NCDOT- PDEA)
Randy Wise (NCDOT- Div. 6)
Nabil Hamdau (NCDOT Utilities)
Chris Rivenbark (NCDOT - NEU)
Subject: NEPA\404 Merger Team - Concurrence Point 4C Meeting
U-2519BA - Fayetteville Outer Loop from South of SR 1003 (Camden Road) to South of
SR 1104 (Strickland Bridge Road), Cumberland County, Division 6
The Concurrence Point 4C Meeting for U-2519BA in Cumberland County was held on February 15tn
2017 in accordance with NCDOT policy. The following items were discussed and conclusions reached:
Jeff Meador opened the meeting with introductions and a brief description of the project. Jeff continued
by providing a summary of the impacts/design at each site. The following comments and decisions were
reached.
Site 1(Permit Sheets 4-9): As requested at the 4B meeting, NCDOT evaluated this site to determine if
there was a jurisdictional stream within the wetland. NCDOT determined that there was a stream within
the wetland. The crossing includes a 72" RCP buried 1' below the stream bed with rip-rap shown on the
banks only.
Site 2A (Permit Sheets 9-19): This site is all one large wetland with a 66" RCP. The 10-year outlet
velocity to the wetlands is 1.8 fUs with a Q10 of 180.0 cfs. Jim Rerko commented that the velocity value
seemed low for the amount of discharge. Mr. Meador responded that the outlet pad is large for a 66" pipe
outlet and the area is flat, producing an allowable V10. At the 4B meeting it was discussed that the pond
at Ramp C 19+50 +/- is not jurisdictional. However, it shows up with a wetland boundary on the permit
drawings. Chris Rivenbark will check to confirm that the pond is not jurisdictional and the boundary will
be removed from the drawings.
Site 2B (Permit Sheets 20-22): The portion of the wetland on the inlet end of the pipe is a total take. The
temporary on-site detour for -Y13- is shown in light grey on the sheet. The detour does not create any
additional impacts relative to the final design.

Site 3(Permit Sheets 23-25: There is an existing pond upstream of this site with no apparent outlet
control device which is located along the ramp. There is also a proposed drainage area of approximately
22.5 acres draining to this location. These factors require a proposed ditch through the wetland to protect
the roadway fill slope. The proposed ditch grade was minimized to minimize drawdown impacts.
Site 4(Permit Sheets 26-29): The site includes a bridge spanning the UT to Stewarts Creek and
wetlands. No deck drains are required for the bridge. There is a minimum 15 foot offset between the
wetland boundary and the toe of slope. A temporary work bridge is provided for construction and is
shown on the permit drawings (dashed line under bridge). Currently the design of the work bridge is
under review from the structures unit. It is noted on the final summary sheet that the work bridge impacts
are not final until approval of the work bridge.
Site 5(Permit Sheets 31-32): A junction box with a manhole added to the cross pipe to create a drop in
the system to dissipate energy before the water outlets into the wetland. The outlet pipe from the junction
box is proposed at a 0.4% slope maximum and is noted on the roadway plans.
Site 6(Permit Sheets 33-35): Rock fill proposed in the pond to eliminate standing water inside the right-
of-way. He also noted that in the 4B meeting a request was made to determine if a BMP could be
designed in this area. Mr. Meador explained that because of the steep contours, the roadway grade, and
the way that the wetlands extend up the hillside a BMP was not feasible. Jim Rerko asked if the TDE in
areas were no drainage is proposed was for erosion control devices, which Mr. Meador confirmed. As
requested at the 4B meeting the existing dirt road and cross pipe on the right side of the proposed road is
being removed and returned to natural contours.
Site 7(Permit Sheets 36-38): This site was not discussed at 46 meeting because it had not been
identified as a wetland at that time. The area was determined to be a wetland after further investigation.
The crossing consists of a 48"/54" pipe with a 10-year outlet velocity of 1.4 ft/s. There is a new residential
development under construction just north of the site.
Other Discussion:
Dr. Van Der Wiele asked if there were equalizer pipes used on the project. Mr Meador responded that
there were not since all of the crossings had topography that keeps water moving from one side of the
road to the other.
Joanne Steenhuis asked if impacts noted as <0.01 acres could be reported as square footages so that
impacts can be accounted for accurately in DEQ's system. Chris Rvienbark noted that the impacts are
being reported per NCDOT's standard procedure and that square footage impacts are being added
together behind the scenes in the summary spreadsheet. Chris noted that NCDOT will work with DEQ to
make sure they have adequate information.
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