20240314 Ver 1_Additional Information Received Emails (WRC Comments/SOA/Buffer Impacts)_20240624

Baker, Caroline D
From: Farrell, John <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 4:53 PM
To: Thomas, Zachary T
Cc: Tillery, Julia A CIV (USA); Garrison, Gabriela
Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR# 20240314 - Repair NIH Dam Inlets and Outlets 111 TW
Alexander Dr - Request for Additional Information
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Hi Zach,
Please find the attached Buffer Impact Summary. Please let me know if you need anything.
Thank you,
john
John Farrell, AICP, CEP
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Group Leader I Environmental Services
Direct 804-956-4601 Cell 804-335-5603 Corporate 800-881-2545
From: Thomas, Zachary T <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 1:12 PM
To: Farrell, John <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR# 20240314 - Repair NIH Dam Inlets and Outlets 111 TW Alexander Dr - Request for
Additional Information
Hi John,
Thank you for the response pertaining to fish disposal, I will add it to our review files.
Thank you,
Zach Thomas
Environmental Program Consultant, Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]
Raleigh Regional Office
1628 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-1628
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Hi Zach,
Below is from the engineer for the project regarding the fish. I am still working on the NEPA document update.
Regarding the fish, the plan is to kill all of them off with Rotenone and then dispose of them. Yes it may take more
than a day and a lot more truckloads than they originally may have thought, but they will be doing population
sampling to get a reasonable estimate of the biomass.
The dead fish will not remain in the lake long enough to get stinky, it will be the empty lake bottom later that will
smell really bad.
All fishing take restrictions have been removed to help pull down that population number as well.
Note - No fish will migrate out of the pond as we are lowering except a possible few that are literally sucked into the
drain valve when the flow velocity is beyond their swimming speed, so we will take the lake down as quickly as
possible while remaining within the safe limits.
Regards,
John
John Farrell, AICP, CEP
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Group Leader I Environmental Services
Direct 804-956-4601 Cell 804-335-5603 Corporate 800-881-2545
From: Thomas, Zachary T <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RE: [External] RE: DWR# 20240314 - Repair NIH Dam Inlets and Outlets 111 TW Alexander Dr - Request for
Additional Information

Hi John,
Sorry for the delayed response on this.
I would say you can certainly respond to the items that you can now, and I can add them to my review files.
1. Do you have a timeline for the NEPA review/document? I will need to discuss with my Central Office regarding
next steps pending the status of the document.
2. 1 received comments back from the NC WRC. Please also provide further information on the
comments/concerns in your response for our files:
"Re -locating fish is usually not approved because of the transport of disease and parasites, etc, and it
would technically be viewed as a stocking and require a permit from us (which we would likely not
approve). I've seen some people bury the fish if they are dredging. I would recommend dewatering as
slow as possible, maybe slower than they currently have outlined, to allow some to naturally emigrate out
of the system or get scooped up by birds. I do think it might take them more than a day to harvest dead
fish and more than a few boats, but I guess that is up to them to decide the logistics. It will be a lot of fish.
They may need to do more than one round of treatment or have a method on hand to remove fish after
the full dewatering. So as you can see, there are no real good options, but I do think this method will
work, it will just be stinky!
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thank you,
Zach Thomas
Environmental Program Consultant, Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]
Raleigh Regional Office
1628 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-1628
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Hi ach,
Should we hold off on sending additional information until we have the NEPA document approval. The NEPA is currently
available for public review and comment. Should I send a copy to you?
Mitigation statement of availability is attached.
Thanks,
john
John Farrell, AICP, CEP
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Hi John,
I have completed my review of the Repair NIH Dam Inlets and Outlets 111 TW Alexander Dr Protect Application (DWR#
20240314) and I need additional information to continue. Please provide a response to the below items within 30
days. Please be advised that this application will be considered incomplete and on hold until a response is received.
Buffer Impacts:
1. While shoreline stabilization buffer impacts fall under the table of uses as allowable, the most recently
submitted PCN has impact quantities listed as 0 square feet.
■ Please update the buffer impact table (Section 6b-6g) to reflect the buffer totals for Shoreline
Stabilization: XX SF temporary & XX SF permanent. Please also indicate for the type of
stabilization (wall vs riprap vs vegetation).
Your project also proposes the need for access through the buffer area to perform the necessary work
for stabilization. Typically, this activity can fit under temporary roads in the table of uses [15A NCAC 02B
.0267 (9)]. Please indicate the total square footage proposed for access disturbance.
■ For amounts below 2500 SF, it is considered exempt, and does not require authorization as part
of the letter.
■ For amounts greater than 2500 SF, it is considered allowable, and I will need to include these
impacts as part of the letter.
Wetland Impacts:
1. Permanent impact totals to wetlands are described in your PCN as 0.447 acres. You also indicate in
Section E2 that mitigation is required and will be completed via payment to the in -lieu fee program. I
am unable to find a Statement of Availability (SOA) in the provided documents. Please provide an SOA
for the 0.447 acres of wetland mitigation required by DWR.
NC Wildlife Comments:

Please be advised that I have reached out for comment from the NC WRC regarding the proposed plan
for Rotenone use and fish disposal. I will pass along any comments or concerns they may have once
received.
• NEPA —Environmental Document:
Section G.I. of the submitted PCN indicates that the project is utilizing public finds or public land. It also
indicates that the project requires preparation of an environmental document and that the document
review has not been finalized by the State Clearing House.
■ Per the limitations outlined in 15A NCAC 01C .01071 " (a) If an environmental document is
required under NCEPA, DEQ shall not undertake an action until the environmental document for
that action is final" and "(b) If DEQ is considering a proposed action for which an environmental
document is to be or is being prepared under NCEPA, DEQ shall promptly notify the applicant
that DEQ cannot take final action until the environmental document is completed and available
for use as a decision -making tool. The notification shall be consistent with the statutory and
regulatory requirements of DEQ and may be in the form of a notification that the application is
incomplete".
■ Please provide an update on the status of the environmental document review.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thank you,
Zach Thomas
Environmental Program Consultant, Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]
Raleigh Regional Office
1628 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-1628
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