NCG190053_Emails RE Fees Waived and Request to RO for Status_20200401

Georgoulias, Bethany
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:16 AM
To: Dumpor, Samir; Edgerton, Thom
Cc: McCoy, Suzanne
Subject: FW: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
Attachments: NCG190053_2000-2006 Documents_20060525.pdf
I apologize — I sent this to the wrong Regional Office!
That last paragraph should say:
Samir and Thom — WaRO needs to help us figure out the status of this operation. Based on the owed fees, this
permittee shouldn't have an active permit. Before we inactivate this one based on no response, can WaRO determine
if they are still in business and need a permit? If so, they can come into compliance under this COC before we eliminate
it; otherwise, once it's gone, they'd have to apply for a new permit.
Thanks!
Bethany
From: Lambe, Brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:02 AM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany<[e-mail]>; McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Cc: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>; Sams, Dan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
This needs to be sent to Washington Office.
Brian Lambe
Environmental Specialist
910-796-7313
State of North Carolina I Environmental Quality I Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
127 Cardinal Drive Extension I Wilmington, NC 28405
910 796 7215 T 1910 350 2004 F I httu://portal.ncdenr.org/web/ir/
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:48 AM
To: McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Cc: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>; Lambe, Brian <brian.lam [e-mail]>; Sams, Dan
<[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
Suzanne, this one is weird. The fees in BIMS were waived several years ago (2000-2005), and there are several
correspondence letters with this permittee about owing them. The 2006 letter implies persistent compliance
issues. I'm not sure this permit COC should even be active — it probably got swept up in the batch of automatic renewal
cycles ever since because with "no fee"/waived fee status, it would not have come up in our "fees owed" data pull and
gotten held back from a renewal. That was our oversight.

Georgoulias, Bethany
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:48 AM
To: McCoy, Suzanne
Cc: Lucas, Annette; Lambe, Brian; Sams, Dan
Subject: RE: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
Attachments: NCG190053_2000-2006 Documents_20060525.pdf
Suzanne, this one is weird. The fees in BIMS were waived several years ago (2000-2005), and there are several
correspondence letters with this permittee about owing them. The 2006 letter implies persistent compliance
issues. I'm not sure this permit COC should even be active — it probably got swept up in the batch of automatic renewal
cycles ever since because with "no fee"/waived fee status, it would not have come up in our "fees owed" data pull and
gotten held back from a renewal. That was our oversight.
I'm guessing it should have been inactivated at the time those never -paid fees were waived because of no response
from the permittee (obviously they never responded to the letters), but that event was never entered. The 2006 is the
most recent correspondence in the file on this one.
Dan and Brian — WiRO needs to help us figure out the status of this operation. Based on the owed fees, this permittee
shouldn't have an active permit. Before we inactivate this one based on no response, can WiRO determine if they are
still in business and need a permit? If so, they can come into compliance under this COC before we eliminate it;
otherwise, once it's gone, they'd have to apply for a new permit.
Permit: NCG190053 Version: 3.0 Status: cdve
Facility: na Boat DOC Incorporated Bitling Contact: Edenton Marina I Find P.---f Find prg
County: Chowan Address 1: PO Box 700 Tide:
Fee Category: No fee Address 2: Phone: [phone] Ei
Bill Month 6-August E OrigBilled: City denton State: NC ZIP: E
Normal Fast Track Express Review
Invoice Type
Period Year
Period Begin
Period End
Billing Month
Due Date
Invoice #
Amount
Paid Balance
Permit Annual Fee
2005
08/01/2005
0713112006
August
1011412005
2005PR009098
sSo_00 lI
S0.00
[ 0110—i
Permit Annual Fee
2004
08/01/2004
07131/2005
August
1011712004
2004PR006083
San_00 f
Sfl_00
f lal 1
Permit Annual Fee
2003
08/01/2003
07131 /2004
August
1012412003
2003PR004832
Jfip 0U
IQ Rp
I Kp—i
Permit Annual Fee
2002
DEV01/2002
07131/2003
August
1011812002
2002PR004516
580.00 I
s0.00
I
Permit Annual Fee
2001
0810112001
07/3112002
August
It 011912001
2001 PR004184
s$o 00 i
50.Od
I 10_00 I
Permit Annual Fee
2000
08/01/2000
0713112001
August
1012D12000
2000PR003724
:8n_na I
ttn.a0
I
Thanks,
Bg
Bethany Georgoulias
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
1

919 707 3641 office
[e-mail]
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
Based on the current guidance to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Department of Environmental Quality has
adjusted operations to protect the health and safety of the staff and public. Many employees are working remotely or
are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are limiting public access to
appointments only. Please check with the appropriate staff before visiting our offices, as we may be able to handle your
requests by phone or email. We appreciate your patience as we continue to serve the public during this challenging
time.
From: McCoy, Suzanne
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:27 PM
To: Georgoulias, Bethany <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
Bethany
No they have not been corrected. I do not have authority to edit in the billing tab. This is intentional, otherwise all
billing tasks would have been transferred to me.
I am suspicious that these are all "renewals" and if I am doing something wrong when entering them in BIMS, if there is
a step I must/must not do that has caused these to become "NO FEE"
NCG030625
Active
NCG080036
Active
NCG080455
Expired Should be no fee
NCG120060
Active
NCG160167
Active
NCG160170
Active
NCG170392
Active
NCG170411
Active
NCG190053
Active BG take a closer look at this one
NCG200515
Active
NCG210229
Active
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:03 PM
To: McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
Suzanne,
Have these been corrected in BIMS so they are invoicing a fee now? NCG080455 should still have no fee. I haven't
made it inactive yet.
Just wanted to check in on these.
bg

Bethany Georgoulias
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
919 707 3641 office
[e-mail]
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http://deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater
Based on the current guidance to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Department of Environmental Quality has
adjusted operations to protect the health and safety of the staff and public. Many employees are working remotely or
are on staggered shifts. To accommodate these staffing changes, all DEQ office locations are limiting public access to
appointments only. Please check with the appropriate staff before visiting our offices, as we may be able to handle your
requests by phone or email. We appreciate your patience as we continue to serve the public during this challenging
time.
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 10:13 AM
To: Lucas, Annette <[e-mail]>
Cc: Powell, Jeanette <[e-mail]>; McCoy, Suzanne <[e-mail]>; Deborah Reese
<[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Permits with fee category of NO FEE
All, just below is what Tom sent. There is one permit here that still should not receive invoices: NCG080455. It was
made NO FEE intentionally [more discussion on that below the table], and it's expired. The rest are active permits that
probably ought to be receiving invoices.
These are the NO FEE ones ... there were others that had the wrong fee that are not in this table (but identified earlier I
think).
From Tom:
Here is what I find for current active/expired NPDES SW permits and most of these have a history of payments in the
past. I have included the total count of annual invoices as well as the last Permit Annual Fee event for each of the
permits. It looks like a lot of these have all their past invoices current through last year except for the 4 indicated in
YELLOW below.
PERMIT NUM
PERMIT STATUS
VERSION
PERMIT EFFECTIVE DT
FEE CATEGORY
ANNUAL —INVOICE —COUNT
LAST —A
NCG030625
Active
4.00
2019-08-08
No fee
7
NCG080036
Active
6.00
2019-08-06
No fee
20
NCG080455
Expired
5.00
2017-11-16
No fee
20
NCG120060
Active
6.00
2019-03-21
No fee
19
NCG160167
Active
5.00
2019-12-31
No fee
16
NCG160170
Active
5.00
2019-12-06
No fee
16
NCG170392
Active
5.00
2019-10-08
No fee
18
NCG170411
Active
4.00
2019-10-04
No fee
11
NCG190053
Active
3.00
2015-06-02
No fee
6

NCG200515 Active 2.00 2019-12-30 No fee 3
NCG210229 Active 5.00 2019-08-08 No fee 21
For some reason, these all had a fee category and invoices at one time but were given a No Fee within recent year or
so. No new invoices will be generated once that fee category has been changed to NO FEE.
We need to be ensuring that renewals and new NOls are not getting set up without a fee. I did this accidentally for a
mod once, so it wasn't a step I'd ever been familiar with either! I'm not sure how it the process works for a brand new
application. When a mod is issued, it becomes a new version of that permit, so the mod needs the fee associated when
it is first set up in BIMS.
Okay, for NCG080455: Sue White and Brandon Wise at WSRO had worked on this one, and ultimately we advised the
permittee that they did not belong under NCG08. I think there was some follow up that was supposed to happen from
the region, but Sue left to come here around that time, and now Brandon isn't there any longer. See the email below
that is in Laserfiche. We intentionally did not renew this COC, and I had Deborah stop fees for this one so they couldn't
argue that they maintained coverage. This was important because normally invoices keep going out for expired
permits. There's been no further action (i.e., rescission request), and I'm thinking we should make this permit inactive
based on no response from the permittee, but I don't know if that's acceptable. It is the only sure-fire way this
"exception" wouldn't start getting billed in the future when I'm not around to explain what happened if the question
ever comes up again.

Georgoulias, Bethany
From: Georgoulias, Bethany
Sent: Friday. October 12. 2018 9:47 AM
To: 'Robert Wagner'
Cc: Dwayne Yates; White, Sue; Lucas, Annette; John Hennessy
f joh n. hen nes s y @ nc d en r. gov }
Subject: RE: [External] RE: PJF Southeast LiC - NCG080455
Robert,
These non-stormwater discharges are not authorited under General Permit NCGO80000. That NPDES general permit
only covers stormwater discharges —not any other sources. even if it is potable water. These discharges should be
routed to the sanitary sewer, or the facility needs to obtain an alternative Wastewater permit. Please see the excerpt
from the front section of our general permit below_ Please contact the D1NR Wastewater Program for further directic
if the site will pursue a wastewater discharge permit. I've copied John Hennessy on this email, who can provide
further guidance.
I realize the situation at hand has been thoroughly confusing. However, the fundamental issue here is that the
discharges from this O/W separator are not entirely from stormwater, and therefore they must be permitted and/or
disposed of differently. The NPD S stormwater permit COC this site currently holds does not apply to the discharges p
describe.
Permit No, HCGiJtt0000
SECTION B: PERMITTED ACTIVITIES
Until coverage under this permit expires or is modified or revoked. the perinittre is authortzeit to
di"'trge stormwater to the surftre waters of North Carwlin;t or "ar ate storni se wer system
which has been adequately treated and managed in arcer lance with the terms and conditions of
this Cwtirrd Perniit
► ny other paint source discharge to surface waters of the statr is prohibited unless it is in
allowable nou-stormmwater discharge or is covered by another pennit. authorixition or appros•al.
Tine store :water discharges allowed by this General 1`'rr:niit slt,sll =tot cause or contribute to
tiniolations of Water Quality Standards.
This pernut does not relieve the permittee't responsibility for romphAnce with any other applicable
fMerail, state, or local law, nile. standar d. orditrance, order, or de"#@.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Bethany Georgoulias
Environmental Engineer
Stormwater Program, Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources
N.C. Department of Environmental Quality
919 707 3641 office

[e-mail]
512 N. Salisbury Street, Raleigh, NC 27604 (location)
1612 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-1612 (mailing)
Website: http//deq.nc.gov/about/divisions/energy-mineral-land-resources/stormwater