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From:
Lambe, Brian
To:
Lucas, Annette; Georgoulias, Bethany
Cc:
Parr, Adam
Subject:
FW: [External] proposed sand mine
Date:
Friday, August 27, 2021 2:26:33 PM
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I am a lost Iamb and need some guidance from the depths of your knowledge.
Years ago, I was working with Linda Willis, then of DWR, regarding mines and NPDES stormwater
permitting. Somewhere was a referendum or memorandum or agreement or rule that there should
be no new discharges to HWQ or ORW. Do you know what I speak of?
I one particular case (most were in Carteret County) was the S&P Sand Mine. See Attachment. In the
S&P, the 7Q10 for the stream in the summer was 0 (zero). So any discharge to that stream was a
violation. Downstream, past Highway 24 is Goose Creek HQW,ORW (and by connection,so is the
unnamed trib upstream). Somehow we allowed this discharge, and many others.
The question remains, are these discharges allowed? If not, by what rule?
Brian Lambe
Environmental Specialist
910-796-7313
919-268-1678 cell
State of North Carolina I Environmental Quality I Energy, Mineral and Land Resources
127 Cardinal Drive Extension I Wilmington, NC 28405
910 796 7215 T 1 910 350 2004 F I httm//nortaLncdenr.ore/web/lr/
From: Snider, Holley
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2021 1:00 PM
To: Lambe, Brian <[e-mail]>
Cc: Faulkner, Megan D <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: [External] proposed sand mine
Thanks, Brian. Please take a moment to look this over and let me know when you have time to
discuss this proposal.
Holley Snider
Environmental Specialist II
Division of Water Resources
North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality
Phone: [phone]

127 Cardinal Drive Ext.
Wilmington, NC 28405
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From: Faulkner, Megan D <megan.faulkner(@ncdenr.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 4:17 PM
To: Snider, Holley <holley.snider(@ncdenr.gov>
Subject: FW: [External] proposed sand mine
Hey Holley,
Here is the email I just got from James with his specific questions.
Thank you for your help with this!
-Megan
Megan D. Faulkner
Environmental Specialist
Division of Water Resources
NC Department of Environmental Quality
[phone] Office
[phone] Cell
Megan. FaulknerCcDncdenr.gov
From: James Izzell <ncgeology(@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 4:15 PM
To: Faulkner, Megan D <megan.fauIkner(@ncdenr.gov>
Cc: Parr, Adam <adam.parr(@ncdenr.gov>
Subject: [External] proposed sand mine
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Megan;
I am James Izzell, a Geologist / consultant, assisting Sunland Sand and Gravel with
obtaining permits for a proposed sand mine in Carteret County. The proposed mine
is on NC Highway 24, just east of Bogue. There has been sand mining on the
property previously a few years ago. The new mining area proposes to pump
groundwater and stormwater into the old mining area (pond), and allow that pond to
overflow through a previous discharge point into Goose Creek. It appears that Goose
Creek is classified as HWQ-SA.

My question for you is, what are the specific rules / restrictions for discharging fresh
water into Goose Creek (HWQ-SA)? I have worked with sand mines and quarries all
over NC for 30 years, but I have never worked with a site discharging into that
particular classification. I see in reading the NPDES Permit (NCG020) that there are
additional qualitative parameter tests, which we will incorporate into the Stormwater
Pollution Prevention Plan. Are there any other restrictions that we should be aware
of? Is there a concern with a potential mixing of salt and fresh water? Is there any
concern over potential volumes of water and how it may impact the stream?
thank you,
James Izzell
Carolina Geoligical Services
919-302-4411

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