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TD stated 30 days following the final meeting on March 291n Speaker Comment Jerry Crews Cigara • Lives in Arden. sp??? • Chromium 6 concerns regarding cancer. • She claims to have a plethora of chronic illnesses and is unable to fight off health issues. • Lives close to French broad and is concerned about Cr6 invading her property. • Wants CA Commission and Leg to slow down to take a better look at work that is being done. • She thinks all communities need clean water. • Concerned about Duke charging her for their clean-up after compromising her diminished health. Katie Hicks, Assoc Dir for • Had been told that comments could be made for any facility. clean water for NC • They fully support High Risk Classification for Asheville site. Glad that Duke is being required to fully clean out impoundments here. • Asheville Airport fill was a good situation for reuse with reduced transport. • NC should look into other methods of reuse and reduced transport. • Long term monitoring should be provided. • DEQ should make sure tested wells have access to safe drinking water. • Ms. Rice in Arden couldn't come tonight but was told not to drink her water due to Cr contamination. Duke is currently providing water and she urges state to protect these people. • Finally, happy about Asheville but not happy about the 12 low risk sites and urges to not rank any sites in NC Low Risk. Phil Basasik, PE sp?? • Known about coal ash since 1965. • Student from Univ. of Illinois. • Coal ash is a valuable product that shouldn't be wasted. • We have to love creation not fight it. • Duke should market the coal ash and not charge people for waste removal. It should be used to make concrete, wall board, road, etc. to develop a profit stream for the utility. Chicago Portland cement industry made big use of coal ash in the 60's and we should continue to do so and not waste it. • 2"d time: coal ash bonds into the products of wall board, concrete etc which reduces air pollution. In European community CA is a valuable product that is reused to reduce CO2 emissions. • Reuse also has no evidence of harming health of people. • It reduces the mining of virgin materials. David Jacobs • Scientific education in the 70s and 2 associates degrees in technology at ABTech. • Doesn't like coal ash in cement b/c the toxic metals will dissolve and eventually leach out. • Asheville Airport has membrane that will deteriorate due to UV breakdown b/c some of it is exposed. • Use Reverse osmosis to remove toxic metals from coal ash then the ash and metals can be reused. • Structural filling of coal ash is just pushing the problem down the line for the next generation. • Doesn't like transporting coal ash because it will spill out of the trucks. Concern about lead, arsenic, Cr being spread in the environment and it needs to be cleaned up now. • 2"d time: basically agrees with mr. Basasik except it is not a valuable material until the toxic materials are removed. Xavier Boatwright, clean • Glad about removal of CA from Asheville. water for NC, Arden • Referenced Wateree results of cleanup of environment in SC. Resident . Not happy about low risk classification for example at Cliffside that will be trapped in place instead of removed. • Mentioned water being provided to people around Cliffside and said that is not a good condition to have to live with on an ongoing basis. • No community should be low priority. • Communities are at risk due to transportation of CA over long distances. Supports Asheville work but not happy about low risk sites. • 2"d time: No community in SC is being considered as low priority like in NC. • SC has 2 state of the art reprocessing facilities. Being done to the level of use in crayons and paints. Paul Schultz • Failed to come to podium to speak Lewis Zeller, Exec Dir. of • 2 year anniversary of Dan River. Env Defense League • State forcing CA dumps on two sites. • State manipulated process on two mine sites that were never mined and feels that was wrong. • Brought up news report about backdoor meetings between Duke, Governor and DEQ. • Referenced some report Coal Ash Disposition??? Feels things are being done in secrecy. Feels process on how risk classifications does not explain how it was done and is art of the problem with secrecy in this all Julie Mayfield, • Took credit for getting Asheville taken care of and for NC having the only CA removal law in the nation. • Happy about high risk class of Asheville. 0 Not happy about low and low/intermediate risk sites. • Ash basins fail DEQ tests, (Chemicals list), contaminants into river, just capping other sites is not good enough and will cause GW issues. • Wants DEQ to reexamine those sites and do a true scientific evaluation. Kathy Scott, citizen • Comments on ranking communities. • Concerned that risk assessments refer to value of that community. Science behind ranking is inadenquate. • Soil concern of contamination around homes and schools and rivers. • Wasn't it known that Structure at Dan River was faulty. • What is the care being taken care of regarding earthquakes. They will become more frequent when Fraking starts. Does anyone know what a 100 yr flood is. We can't tell when or where earthquakes and 100 yr floods are coming. Duke must be required to remove all CA impoundments by 2019 and put in above ground sealed containers and monitored. Amelia Burnette, SELC • Believes all communities deserve clean closure. Milton Spann, Brd of • Applauds Duke for removal of CA in Asheville. Doesn't want it Trustees of Appalachian trucked to other communities. Wants in stored on Duke property Voices or at least 3 miles outside of any community. SC is removing CA without increasing its rates and Duke should do the same since Duke made the mess, not the people of NC. Does not like the option for low risk sites to only have to be capped allowing endangerment of groundwater. Jason Walls, Loc Govt Happy to work and serve more than 350000 customers/people. CA basins Community Relations in safe ways to protect people and save costs. Referenced Asheville for Duke Airport as a positive project. Asheville will reach full excavation by 2022. Is currently taking CA to Georgia and will eventually take to disposal at Rogers fill site. Meeting closed and adjourned at 7:12 pm Coal Combustion Residual Impoundment Risk Classification for the Asheville Steam Station, March 1, 2016 Question asked: When will the final report be completed. TD stated 30 days following the final meeting on March 29t" Speaker Comment Jerry Crews Cigara • Lives in Arden. sp??? • Chromium 6 concerns regarding cancer. • She claims to have a plethora of chronic illnesses and is unable to fight off health issues. • Lives close to French broad and is concerned about Cr6 invading her property. • Wants CA Commission and Leg to slow down to take a better look at work that is being done. • She thinks all communities need clean water. • Concerned about Duke charging her for their clean-up after compromising her diminished health. Katie Hicks, Assoc Dir for • Had been told that comments could be made for any facility. clean water for NC • They fully support High Risk Classification for Asheville site. Glad that Duke is being required to fully clean out impoundments here. • Asheville Airport fill was a good situation for reuse with reduced transport. • NC should look into other methods of reuse and reduced transport. • Long term monitoring should be provided. • DEQ should make sure tested wells have access to safe drinking water. • Ms. Rice in Arden couldn't come tonight but was told not to drink her water due to Cr contamination. Duke is currently providing water and she urges state to protect these people. • Finally, happy about Asheville but not happy about the 12 low risk sites and urges to not rank any sites in NC Low Risk. Phil Basasik, PE sp?? • Known about coal ash since 1965. • Student from Univ. of Illinois. • Coal ash is a valuable product that shouldn't be wasted. • We have to love creation not fight it. • Duke should market the coal ash and not charge people for waste removal. It should be used to make concrete, wall board, road, etc. to develop a profit stream for the utility. Chicago Portland cement industry made big use of coal ash in the 60's and we should continue to do so and not waste it. • 2nd time: coal ash bonds into the products of wall board, concrete etc which reduces air pollution. In European community CA is a valuable product that is reused to reduce CO2 emissions. • Reuse also has no evidence of harming health of people. • It reduces the mining of virgin materials. David Jacobs • Scientific education in the 70s and 2 associates degrees in technology at ABTech. • Doesn't like coal ash in cement b/c the toxic metals will dissolve and eventually leach out. • Asheville Airport has membrane that will deteriorate due to UV breakdown b/c some of it is exposed. • Use Reverse osmosis to remove toxic metals from coal ash then the ash and metals can be reused. • Structural filling of coal ash is just pushing the problem down the line for the next generation. • Doesn't like transporting coal ash because it will spill out of the trucks. Concern about lead, arsenic, Cr being spread in the environment and it needs to be cleaned up now. • 2nd time: basically agrees with mr. Basasik except it is not a valuable material until the toxic materials are removed. Xavier Boatwright, clean . Glad about removal of CA from Asheville. water for NC, Arden . Referenced Wateree results of cleanup of environment in SC. Resident • Not happy about low risk classification for example at Cliffside that will be trapped in place instead of removed. • Mentioned water being provided to people around Cliffside and said that is not a good condition to have to live with on an ongoing basis. • No community should be low priority. • Communities are at risk due to transportation of CA over long distances. Supports Asheville work but not happy about low risk sites. • 2"d time: No community in SC is being considered as low priority like in NC. • SC has 2 state of the art reprocessing facilities. Being done to the level of use in crayons and paints. Paul Schultz • Failed to come to podium to speak Lewis Zeller, Exec Dir. of • 2 year anniversary of Dan River. Env Defense League • State forcing CA dumps on two sites. • State manipulated process on two mine sites that were never mined and feels that was wrong. • Brought up news report about backdoor meetings between Duke, Governor and DEQ. • Referenced some report Coal Ash Disposition??? Feels things are being done in secrecy. Feels process on how risk classifications does not explain how it was done and is art of the problem with secrecy in this all Julie Mayfield, • Took credit for getting Asheville taken care of and for NC having the only CA removal law in the nation. • Happy about high risk class of Asheville. • Not happy about low and low/intermediate risk sites. • Ash basins fail DEQ tests, (Chemicals list), contaminants into river, just capping other sites is not good enough and will cause GW issues. • Wants DEQ to reexamine those sites and do a true scientific evaluation. Kathy Scott, citizen • Comments on ranking communities. • Concerned that risk assessments refer to value of that community. Science behind ranking is inadenquate. • Soil concern of contamination around homes and schools and rivers. • Wasn't it known that Structure at Dan River was faulty. • What is the care being taken care of regarding earthquakes. They will become more frequent when Fraking starts. Does anyone know what a 100 yr flood is. We can't tell when or where earthquakes and 100 yr floods are coming. Duke must be required to remove all CA impoundments by 2019 and put in above ground sealed containers and monitored. Amelia Burnette, SELC • Believes all communities deserve clean closure. Milton Spann, Brd of • Applauds Duke for removal of CA in Asheville. Doesn't want it Trustees of Appalachian trucked to other communities. Wants in stored on Duke property Voices or at least 3 miles outside of any community. SC is removing CA without increasing its rates and Duke should do the same since Duke made the mess, not the people of NC. Does not like the option for low risk sites to only have to be capped allowing endangerment of groundwater. Jason Walls, Loc Govt Happy to work and serve more than 350000 customers/people. CA basins Community Relations in safe ways to protect people and save costs. Referenced Asheville for Duke Airport as a positive project. Asheville will reach full excavation by 2022. Is currently taking CA to Georgia and will eventually take to disposal at Rogers fill site. Meeting closed and adjourned at 7:12 pm Cole, Brad From: Davis, Tracy Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 1:36 PM To: Cole, Brad; Munger, Bridget Cc: Vinson, Toby; Aiken, Stan E; Riddle, Shawna; cook, Shane; Rusher, Mike J Subject: FW: Asheville Steam Station Public Meeting on March 1, 2016 Attachments: Coal Combustion Residual Impoundment Risk Classification for the Ashevil.... docx Brad, Here are the public meeting notes for the Asheville Steam Plant coal ash risk classification meeting on March 1, 2016. The attachment contains Toby's notes. My notes are provided below. Both sets of notes should aid you in compilation of the meeting officer report for this meeting. Bridget or Mike Rusher will be in contact soon to forward you the meeting officer report template/format to use to compile the meeting summary. Thanks again for serving as our meeting officer last night! Tracy From: Davis, Tracy Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 1:29 PM To: Davis, Tracy <tracy.davis@ncdenr.gov> Subject: Asheville Steam Station Public Meeting on March 1, 2016 Asheville Steam Station Public Meeting on March 1, 2016 RE: Draft Coal Ash Risk Classification Tracy Davis meeting notes are as follows: Opening at 6:05 pm Recognized: John Ager - Legislature (House - see sign in sheet) Julie Mayfield - Asheville city council Opening Remarks Power point presentation Ager - question of what closure means; BC stated final removal of coal ash from facility Media - when will DEQ issue final risk classification report be issued; TD stated believes 30 days after the final public meeting date (from March 29); later clarified to 30 days from end of public comment period Gerri Cruise Segara lost friends to cancer; concerned with chromium 6, prevalent in area and worried about additional C6 coming to the area slow down from quick fix; look at other less dangerous and toxic solutions all communities need clean water - regardless of risk class concerned she will be paying for cleanup of pollutants in her area Katy Hicks assoc dir for Clean Water NC can I comment on any facility or only Asheville; BC stated any comments will be accepted; noted facility specific emails - transport and community impacts to landfills hundreds of miles away - investigate beneficial reuse and public input on all disposal sites - long term monitoring and public results - notice of not to drink water should be provided alternative water; noted example with hexi and chrom 6 with limited bottled water supply need to protect future harm to groundwater at disposal sites concerned with facilities classified as low; none should be low Phil Basesi, PE - familiar with ash in various forms/sources - coal ash a valuable product and should not be wasted - love creation not fight it - should market coal ash and not charge us for removal; noted various uses of coal ash; would be profit stream for utility Duke exploring possibilities but not a commitment; go back to basics and use it like it has been used for years - a product not a waste David Jacobs applied science background coal ash has potential use but has toxic heavy metals; it would be contained within concrete but not bound, so it can leach out concerned with membrane over and around coal ash at Asheville airport; being checked now but who will be inspecting and monitoring years from now need to use various processes to remove toxic metals from coal ash; putting it untreated in membranes is kicking the can down the road; will be toxic to environment and public in the future concerned with loose coal ash off trucks hauling coal ash concerned with toxic metals and concentrations in coal ash Xavier Boatright - EJ researcher with Clean Water NC - glad to see considered high risk and being removed from facility - SC has been doing this and tests have shown reduction in levels of contamination in groundwater - concerned with Iow and intermediate where coal ash may be left in place - commends Duke for onsite landfills; should be stored on Duke property to eliminate hauling impacts and groundwater impacts to other communities referenced EPA reports Duke has posted on its website; noted some of the deficiencies found at various facilities; as such, no community should be low priority communities at risk with hauling to GA and VA and groundwater contamination at disposal locations Louis Zeller BREDL two years of scandal, convictions, violations, etc. noted Brickhaven and Colon Mine coal ash reclamation projects; alleged state skewed process to remove from landfill requirements - referenced meeting at Gov Mansion and issuance of permits thereafter ACT AGAINST COAL ASH has been formed; recommends salt stone process to bind toxics in coal ash no rule making to guide DEQ - link DEQ to CAMA; this is not acceptable Julie Mayfield - Mountain True representative - have lead the battle against coal ash - noted CAMA is framework we must work with - fortunate that Asheville being high risk but concerned with others being low to intermediate - concerned with heavy metals in groundwater - believes there are ongoing discharges violating standards at several facilities - concerned with Cliffside rating and want reclassified as high Cathy Scott feels risk process is futile as it identifies which communities are less important and which are more important; hopeful that meetings will show all communities need to be protected - noted risk levels and factors considered are flawed - structural stability should have been known at Dan River - groundwater and soil contamination not monitored frequently so threat unknown - impact of earthquakes not considered (will be worse if fracking occurs) - concerned with use of 100 year flood standard and not considering hurricane events; don't know when they will occur any disposal should be above ground and in tanks to keep it out of the groundwater Amelia Burnette SELC - support high rating for Asheville - concerned with low and intermediate ranked sites - clarified closure means only excavation at high risk and intermediate and maybe at low - clarified comment period ends April 18 and DEQ has 30 days from this date to finalize risk classification report Milton Spann Appalachian Voices pleased with removal from ponds at facility and placement at lined airport project, but should not be disposed in other communities; should be stored on Duke property public should not pay the clean up costs (Duke should pay) need further research on proper/appropriate liners to provide assurance for long term protection All communities deserve clean water Phil Baslesi (second presentation) noted uses of coal ash in wallboard, concrete encapsulated coal ash has proven not to impact public health explore useful and safe products and not waste David Jacobs (second presentation) coal ash can't be useful until toxic metals removed; cost involved heavy metals should be removed before disposal as well no such thing as a low hazard toxic waste dump - things move into the groundwater Jason Walls Duke Energy rep proud to provide power to citizens and invest in its communities noted 4 million tons excavated and placed in lined structural fill for airport; sets the standard for safe disposal of coal ash remain committed to removing coal ash in manner safe to environment and the public noted hauling coal ash to Cliffside landfill on Duke property noted two new natural gas generation plants to eliminate coal ash at Asheville plant X. Boatright (second presentation) referenced two reprocessing facilities in SC - produce crayons and paint Closing comments Adjournment 7:12 pm Tracy E. Davis, PE, CPM Director - Division of Energy, Mineral, and Land Resources NC Department of Environmental Quality (919) 707-9200 tracy.davis(@,nedenr.gov 512 N. Salisbury Street - Archdale Building 1612 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699 Email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.